The War in the Ukraine

Aegis21

Aegis21

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Biscuits said:
Could you cease regurgitating the NATO sponsored deep throating of the M142 systems please?

Like sure according to twitter glowies, SRBM is now the most difficult thing to intercept, after the whole US military spent ages claiming SCUDs are useless because "they have predictable trajectories".

No, putting a SRBM on a mlrs is not revolutionary, the Russians can put Iskander on theirs, and Ukraine has afaik (I welcome reports to the contrary) failed to intercept even a single Iskander.

The Smerch was designed by the old USSR and has mildly better range using guided rockets vs HIMARS. A recently designed Eastern bloc MLRS like PHL16 completely shits on it, because it can slot IRBMs and not just scud ripoff on top of having better range and accuracy in general.

A strike volume of 10 random storehouses next to the front being blown up in a month isn't a significant military achievement, if so, Russia would have won the war in 1 week with their cunning Iskander attacks on Ukraine storage depots which Ukraine is completely helpless against.
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The HIMARS are good guided weapons for the Ukrainians, no doubt. I don’t think they’re a “game changer” as the Ukrainians were already operating the Tochkas. The main advantage seems to be that Russian SAMs have more difficult in shooting down the HIMARS compared to previous missiles. The Russian logistics system has become too complacent over the past few months as they can operate in relative safely behind the lines with large, central ammo depots. This contrasts with the more successful Ukrainian strategy of making dispersed and distributed depots (the Russians keep attacking them but the Ukrainians continue to fight).
 
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Yommie said:
Not surprising. Russia was impressed by the performance of Shahed-129 MALE drones in Syria, which prompted Russia to develop MALE attack drones. Much of Russia's MALE drone program was aided by Iran. China, once again, too coward to supply anything to Russia despite Russian supplies in the 90s prevented America backed Taiwan secession. China needs to grow a spine and sell to Russia.
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I suspect it is more question of quantity, not quality. Russia do have its own drones that are effective in this war, but for such massive territory you need a magnitude more of them. And unlike soviet era massive production capabilities for more classic arms, drones are relatively new industry and has limitations on how much you can increase production in limited timeframe. If true IMHO should have done it earlier.
 
Yommie

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Russian drone hunter kit

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1546583982434828288

HIMARS is way overrated. HIMARS is 227 mm diameter, unguided range 35 km guided range 70 km. By comparison, Smerch / Tornado-S is 300 mm diameter, unguided range 70 km guided range 120 km. When used correctly, Smerch / Tornado-S easily hunts down HIMARS. What Russians need are more drones to locate HIMARS.
 
tankphobia

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Yommie said:
HIMARS is way overrated. HIMARS is 227 mm diameter, unguided range 35 km guided range 70 km. By comparison, Smerch / Tornado-S is 300 mm diameter, unguided range 70 km guided range 120 km. When used correctly, Smerch / Tornado-S easily hunts down HIMARS. What Russians need are more drones to locate HIMARS.
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They have the advantage of the entire western world's intelligence apparatus behind them, range doesn't matter when you have no accurate intel, despite a overwhelming advantage in artillery fire, Russia has not stopped western weapons from reaching the frontlines and causing havoc. If China wanted to covertly assist Russia, they can simply re-task some of their much more capable spy satellites to locate Western military systems for the Russians to attack. But ultimately even thinking from a national perspective, there's no beef between China and Ukraine, it would be foolish for China to intervene in this war if they are going for their non-interventionist policy, you can't complain about colour revolutions overseas while assisting in one yourself. Supporting this conflict would undermine China's own position on Taiwan as it would support a province from breaking away.
 
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