I thought it was other way around.
The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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The Russian army began preparations for the assault on Slavyansk. Massive attacks on the positions of the Ukrainian army on the outskirts of Slovyansk have already begun
At about 3 o'clock Belgorod was subjected to massive shelling of the Ukrainian army. Almost all targets were shot down by the Russian air defense system. The governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov reported a series of pops in the sky of the city and damage to houses. According to Gladkov, at least 39 private residential buildings in Belgorod were partially damaged, five of them were completely destroyed, 11 apartment buildings were also damaged, mostly windows were broken. According to preliminary information, 3 people died.
During the hostilities in Ukraine, the Russian armored car "Tiger" confirmed its high booking quality. Developed in 2005, the Russian armored car "Tiger" and equipped with heat-treated armor plates with a thickness of 5 mm to 7 mm, having hit an anti-tank mine in Ukraine, withstood its explosion, people remained intact
At about 3 o'clock Belgorod was subjected to massive shelling of the Ukrainian army. Almost all targets were shot down by the Russian air defense system. The governor of the Belgorod region Vyacheslav Gladkov reported a series of pops in the sky of the city and damage to houses. According to Gladkov, at least 39 private residential buildings in Belgorod were partially damaged, five of them were completely destroyed, 11 apartment buildings were also damaged, mostly windows were broken. According to preliminary information, 3 people died.
During the hostilities in Ukraine, the Russian armored car "Tiger" confirmed its high booking quality. Developed in 2005, the Russian armored car "Tiger" and equipped with heat-treated armor plates with a thickness of 5 mm to 7 mm, having hit an anti-tank mine in Ukraine, withstood its explosion, people remained intact
Except the issue is that the West has failed to drive Russia out of Europe and deal a “death blow” to Russian influence in Europe. For that to happen, Russia must lose the war in Ukraine and NATO was betting on their economic shock and awe to achieve that. Sure it achieve the objective to push Russia towards Asia and lead to a NATO eastern build up but Russia position to stay in Europe remains solid.
If your forces are so terrified of the enemy that their mere advance, not battle, causes retreat, it's a general collapse of morale - a rout. This is supported by the fact that Mariupol took months, Severodonetsk took weeks, but Lysychansk just took days and Sloviansk/Bakhmut is already about to be liberated.
If that tweet is accurate and the Ukrainians choose to withdraw to Bakhmut, it means they'll get sandwiched like this:
Effectively another Lysychansk-lite encirclement. Better to withdraw to Sloviansk/Kramatorsk but there's no direct road and they'll be caught in the open flat plains. Some really great tactical moves by the Russian forces if it plays out this way.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Anyone with good historical knowledge able to compare and contrast some of the current battles going on in Ukraine with how the Red Army and Germans fights went down during WWII?
A lot has changed, but a lot probably stayed very similar, especially when it comes to general geography. That means what are good defensive ground now probably were also where defenders chose to dig in back during WWII, so I suspect a fair number of battles are taking place where previous major engagements also happened.
I heard an info that the Ukrainians are setting some sort of Defensive line along Seversk-Bakhmut area dubbed as "Zelensky Line", tho i don't really know how fortified this area is...
No terrain obstacle realistically. Open fields and rivers are too small to offer any barriers. They have to rely on built up areas, couple of industrial sites. Towns are larger which will results in some difficulty for the Russians.
Black Shark
Junior Member
Destroying logistics, weapon storage and command posts has far bigger affect than killing with one missile a handful soldiers. Let the artillery do its job of grinding the meat. It isn't called "King of all battlefields" for no reason.