The War in the Ukraine

Gloire_bb

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any small drone can loiter over the area that will not draw attention.
The smaller the craft, the less it will loiter, with a lower payload, at a lower altitude.
Simple as that.
there more fixed wing aircraft than needed
Count VKS tactical force by tails(actual units, not storage numbers), then divide the result by non-surge daily flight rate over the whole frontline from Kharkov to Odessa.
You'll get a surprisingly low number - whole Russian armies (which are basically divisions in terms of manning=they require even more support to compensate) get a share of as little as 20-50 fixed-wing sorties per day. This is really not that much. Frankly speaking, if UkrAF wasn't so poor, this level of overstretching could be dangerous... but manned PSU are just impotent, and Russian land forces are just one hell of a porcupine(Ukrainian ones too, actually, as both forces are two largest post-Soviet armies, but their needles are decades old).
Moreover, this sortie number is not even - frogfoots with their simplicity and tenacity are traditionally overrepresented in the sortie rate. But they don't carry a lot, nor they are PGM carriers.
what can MALE/ HALE drone do that so many other high speed deep penetrating weopons cannot do?.
Due to the previous point, just a few MALEs per theater can give as much presence over the battlefield as many many more big fast fixed wings. Precisely because they're not fast fuel annihilators.
And they will prosecute a lot of their tasks in the meantime - Recon(+strike when really necessary), ELINT, EW, whatever you have for them.
HALEs are just priceless, but we don't know if Russian HALEs are even in combat or not. There is just no way to know w/o someone politely sharing AWACS screen with us.
American and NATO Global Hawks are loitering over the Black sea non-stop, btw, and you guess to whom data from them goes to.

the problem is that maintaining, operating, loading (fuel/weopons) this 700KG plane can draw attention to activity.
It can, and it does - by all accounts, more than a few Ukrainian drones were caught on land. But this is war, shit happens.
 
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pmc

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The smaller the craft, the less it will loiter, with a lower payload, at a lower altitude.
Simple as that.
how exactly it is less loiter when smaller crafts are much near to battlefield, and they can be more numerous like in thousands.
much quieter stealthier with much distributed information delivery to field level.. there is practically zero need for this medium altitude turbo prop drones that need runway and takes hours to reach of battlefield.

Count VKS tactical force by tails(actual units, not storage numbers), then divide the result by non-surge daily flight rate over the whole frontline from Kharkov to Odessa.
You'll get a surprisingly low number - whole Russian armies (which are basically divisions in terms of manning=they require even more support to compensate) get a share of as little as 20-50 fixed-wing sorties per day. This is really not that much. Frankly speaking, if UkrAF wasn't so poor, this level of overstretching could be dangerous... but manned PSU are just impotent, and Russian land forces are just one hell of a porcupine(Ukrainian ones too, actually, as both forces are two largest post-Soviet armies, but their needles are decades old).
sorties are dictated by target of oppurnities created by land force engagement. large fixed targets already taken care by cruise missiles/MLRS. it is not just the cruise missiles that speed and range increasing but latest MLRS also can destroyed hectares of land in one salvo. they are highly automated now. just look at size of rocket. drones are too compromise with there small weopons.
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Moreover, this sortie number is not even - frogfoots with their simplicity and tenacity are traditionally overrepresented in the sortie rate. But they don't carry a lot, nor they are PGM carriers.
PGM not necessary when fight is at low altitude. that 30mm gun can evaporate all unarmed vehicles to force people on foot.
Due to the previous point, just a few MALEs per theater can give as much presence over the battlefield as many many more big fast fixed wings. Precisely because they're not fast fuel annihilators.
And they will prosecute a lot of their tasks in the meantime - Recon(+strike when really necessary), ELINT, EW, whatever you have for them.
HALEs are just priceless, but we don't know if Russian HALEs are in combat or not. There is just no way to know w/o someone politely sharing AWACS screen with us.

It can, and it does - by all accounts, more than a few Ukrainian drones were caught on land. But this is war, shit happens.
how much presence you need with MALE drone that will be much more than this aircraft?.
These aircraft has highly advanced EW suites and ISR/ELINT/SLAR pod like JSTAR and still strike with weopons from hundreds of kms.
This aircraft is really tall from the ground to have this size of pod. there is no way any current drone MALE drone can bring this capability and than destroying emerging targets with hypersonic speeds.


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Temstar

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Western officials are speculating that Russia might officially declare war on Ukraine as soon as May 9.
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Did someone from the Russian government actually say "yes we plan to claim victory on May 9th" or anything like that? I know Lavrov recently said there's no deadline, so did this whole thing came from the media?

What do they think will happen? That Putin is going to do a Stalin, do a speech at Red Square that finishes with "no a single step back" and march the troops at the parade directly to the front?
 

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Abominable

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We're back!
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The strategy of the Russians over the past 2 weeks has been what I've been saying all along. Don't advance forward, don't try to capture any major cities, just attack Ukrainian soldiers in their forward positions. Lots of artillery with air support being used now.

Resupplying them will be difficult for the Ukraine, they can't retreat and at this point they can't advance either. Once the bulk of Ukraine's army is eliminated, the rest of the country will fall easily.
 

Tam

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We're back!
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The strategy of the Russians over the past 2 weeks has been what I've been saying all along. Don't advance forward, don't try to capture any major cities, just attack Ukrainian soldiers in their forward positions. Lots of artillery with air support being used now.

Resupplying them will be difficult for the Ukraine, they can't retreat and at this point they can't advance either. Once the bulk of Ukraine's army is eliminated, the rest of the country will fall easily.

Their Blitzkrieg attack at the start proved to be a disaster. Modern technology might have rendered such means obsolete against a well equipped opponent. Now their strategy appears to be grinding their opponent down.
 
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