The War in the Ukraine

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Colonel
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All those talks about the importance of the Switchblade is a classic case of Twitter experts hyping things. The warhead on the Switchblade equals the warhead of a 40 mm grenade. You aren't going to change the game with 1000 40 mm grenades.
Doesn't the PLA have a similar suicide drone system but it's launched by portable racks that shoots them out by the bucket load? Like 30 in 1 salvo.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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That's quite a cheap cruise missile for kamikaze attacks on soft targets and probably good to do recon with a optical package. When it's mostly one use for Ukrainians UAV, I don't see the points of paying more anyways.
25 kg payload is small for strike assets, even anything more than a single ATGM. On the other hand 25 kg can handle some decent targeting equipment like a laser designator, rangefinder, electronic compass, satellite navigation and communications. This will allow it to designated both laser guided rounds and relay coordinates.
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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Doesn't the PLA have a similar suicide drone system but it's launched by portable racks that shoots them out by the bucket load? Like 30 in 1 salvo.
Yep but I believe these are more for massive and persistent recon rather than strike. A flying asset is much more valuable for its recon capabilities than as a very expensive 40 mm grenade.
 

Atomicfrog

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25 kg payload is small for strike assets, even anything more than a single ATGM. On the other hand 25 kg can handle some decent targeting equipment like a laser designator, rangefinder, electronic compass, satellite navigation and communications. This will allow it to designated both laser guided rounds and relay coordinates.
It's why I was talking about soft targets... I would not put costly subsystems but the bare minimum to be able to designate targets. It's way bigger than smaller drones and probably way easier to bring down than a smaller quad with designator brimbal. They sell some nice Migen drones on Alibaba...
 

FairAndUnbiased

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It's why I was talking about soft targets... I would not put costly subsystems but the bare minimum to be able to designate targets. It's way bigger than smaller drones and probably way easier to bring down than a smaller quad with designator brimbal. They sell some nice Migen drones on Alibaba...
Even for the softest target 25 kg is really small compared to what can be brought down with artillery.

A dumb shell only costs 100 USD or so, yet can be targeted to coordinates, which can be found with the combination of sighting the target (telescope or IR), own position (Beidou), angle to target (compass) and range to target (rangefinder).

I just think it'll be more economy of force to use cheap drones for persistent recon rather than as strike assets.
 

Atomicfrog

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Even for the softest target 25 kg is really small compared to what can be brought down with artillery.

A dumb shell only costs 100 USD or so, yet can be targeted to coordinates, which can be found with the combination of sighting the target (telescope or IR), own position (Beidou), angle to target (compass) and range to target (rangefinder).

I just think it'll be more economy of force to use cheap drones for persistent recon rather than as strike assets.
Still 700km is farther than any shells... Sure it's puny but to puncture a fuel tank, destroy a radar dish, screwing a power transformer facility in Russian territory, give him way greater means to piss them off than a 155m shell.
 

pmc

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In the first month of that conflict, a fighter sized Ukrainian Tupolev TU-141 drone flew all hover Romania, Hungary and crashed crashed near the Croatian capital of Zagreb...without being intercepted. Air defences are full of holes and some are huge. For that small fiberglass target, it's clearly not surprising.
Most airdefense belong to 1980s to early 90s tech. only S-350/ Pantsir SM can be considered 21st century. but they are too few. if drone flow below certain altitude and small rcs. most of air defenses will not be able to engage.
I doubt even AAM can intercept below 15m.

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The technological step changes introduced with this change of generation will provide the capability to counter future threats. This includes targets with reduced infrared and electromagnetic signatures, atypical targets (UAVs and small aircraft), as well as the threats normally countered by air-to-air missiles (combat aircraft and helicopters). More specifically, the infrared seeker will use a matrix sensor providing greater sensitivity. Meanwhile the radio frequency seeker will use an AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Antenna), enabling smart detection strategies. The reduced volume of electronic components within MICA NG will allow it to carry a larger quantity of propellant, thereby significantly extending the range of the missile.
 

Abominable

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25 kg payload is small for strike assets, even anything more than a single ATGM. On the other hand 25 kg can handle some decent targeting equipment like a laser designator, rangefinder, electronic compass, satellite navigation and communications. This will allow it to designated both laser guided rounds and relay coordinates.
ATGM have warheads around 6-9kg. 25kg is a very big payload, you could easily derail a train car with that much HE, or 5 smaller warheads to cover a greater area in an anti personnel role.

All those systems you've mentioned don't weigh much at all, a few kg at most. There could be an issue with volume if they are off the shelf components but not weight.
 

Soldier30

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The Ukrainian army attacked the Russian Novoshakhtinsky oil refinery in the Rostov region with the help of a drone. As a result of the strike, a fire broke out at the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery, as reported by the media, there were two drones, the fire started when one of them crashed into the structure of the plant. There is a fire at an oil refinery
contained, no casualties.


 

taxiya

Brigadier
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Wouldn't it be some cheese if Chinese drones end up costing Russia the war? I wanted Chinese drones to be involved but not this way...
To be fair, Indian and Vietnamese Sukhois and Vietnamese anti-ship missiles and Kilos are much more costlier to Chinese than a few commercial drones that are probably purchased by Ukraine before the war through means in other names.

Most importantly, Ukraine got these things from commercial market through various channels and many of them before the war. China is not selling weapons.

China can refrain from allowing any more export, but there is nothing China did wrong.
 
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