The War in the Ukraine

FriedButter

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Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia​

Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by their adversary, a top intelligence official has said

Ukrainian troops are currently firing 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, and their stockpiles are running out fast, the intelligence official said. “We have almost used up all of our [artillery] ammunition and are now using 155-caliber NATO standard shells,”he said.

Kiev is also severely outgunned in the Donbass, having almost run out of the Soviet- and Russia-designed artillery pieces it had at the start of Moscow’s military operation, according to Skibitsky. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces,” he pointed out.

Outnumbered 1 : 10-15 on artillery guns while firing 5,000-6,000 shells per day.

If Ukraine is firing that many shells per day with only a tenth of the Russians numbers. Then how many shells are the Russians firing per day? I imagine the Russians are spending a lot of their old Soviet stockpiles of shells.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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A conflict between the US or any of those other countries vs China is gonna look a lot different, with airpower playing a much bigger part.
That's not to say that artilerry is irrelevant but I don't think one to one comparisions are as important as in this conflict

The fundamental issue with airpower in Ukraine vs Russia is that Ukrainians have both good covering terrain (muddy forest) and have the actual Russian version, not export version, of air defense. However, they have very weak strike capability of their own. So what they can do is deny and reduce Russian sorties, but not carry out their own.

This produces the illusion of airpower being unimportant when in reality it is supremely important. if Ukrainian SAMs were weaker Russia would be carpet bombing them and if Russian Air Force was weaker Ukrainians would still be able to hit their field troops with helicopters, drones and attack planes.

Artillery is actually one of the most important capabilities for a ground army. It produces sustained, long ranged, BVR firepower. There are very few systems capable of sustained BVR firepower other than artillery. Airstrikes can hit BVR but they aren't sustained. Tanks and helicopters are short ranged. Only naval ships can provide this too, but obviously, naval ships can't go on land. So that leaves artillery.
 

pmc

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This produces the illusion of airpower being unimportant when in reality it is supremely important
I am not sure why there is this illusion. when entire war is fought with Ka-52/Su-25 or they not part of airpower?. it is just not easy to count sorties of these low altitude near to the battlefield flight operations when there was cloudy weather.
there is tons of transport choppers also flying around.
i will not be surprised they already testing Mi-28NM in battlefield and its importance will increase in flat lands.
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FairAndUnbiased

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I am not sure why there is this illusion. when entire war is fought with Ka-52/Su-25 or they not part of airpower?. it is just not easy to count sorties of these low altitude near to the battlefield flight operations when there was cloudy weather.
there is tons of transport choppers also flying around.
i will not be surprised they already testing Mi-28NM in battlefield and its importance will increase in flat lands.
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From the outside some people think that airpower isn't being used very much in Ukraine when like you said, it is actually very important.
 

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Thing is, this is a border conflict, so to speak.

Since the US and NATO are mostly used to blugeon far away third world countries to death, which this distance makes it necesary to make use of aircraft carriers, forward deployment of all sort of aircraft, etc., which is highly visible and they also make sure to broadcast worldwide.

Also Russia has been "coy" with regards images and information
 
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The fundamental issue with airpower in Ukraine vs Russia is that Ukrainians have both good covering terrain (muddy forest) and have the actual Russian version, not export version, of air defense. However, they have very weak strike capability of their own. So what they can do is deny and reduce Russian sorties, but not carry out their own.

This produces the illusion of airpower being unimportant when in reality it is supremely important. if Ukrainian SAMs were weaker Russia would be carpet bombing them and if Russian Air Force was weaker Ukrainians would still be able to hit their field troops with helicopters, drones and attack planes.

Artillery is actually one of the most important capabilities for a ground army. It produces sustained, long ranged, BVR firepower. There are very few systems capable of sustained BVR firepower other than artillery. Airstrikes can hit BVR but they aren't sustained. Tanks and helicopters are short ranged. Only naval ships can provide this too, but obviously, naval ships can't go on land. So that leaves artillery.
The use of NATO AWACS mean that Ukrainian SAMs can keep their radars turned off until it's time to engage. Russia could just shoot down the NATO AWACS and force Ukraine to turn on their own SAM radars but that would lead to WW3.

Most long range Ukrainian SAMs have been taken out so it's the short range ones only. So you've got a situation where there's heavy use of KA-52s and su-25s close to the frontline where they are safe from SAMs but most of Ukraine is free from aerial bombardment.
 

pmc

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From the outside some people think that airpower isn't being used very much in Ukraine when like you said, it is actually very important.
Its all about marketing. head of Rostec gave interview to Turkish newspaper and hardly any mention of fighter . it was all about civil airline production.
if it was a western CEO giving interview to a foreign newspaper it would have been all about Fighters and systems related to war
Russia is not big market for civil airliners so i am not sure what he referring too interms of losses.
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Western suppliers have lost a big market​

Chemezov also touched on a package of Western sanctions imposed on the Russian aviation industry. In particular, we are talking about the decision of AirBus and Boeing to stop deliveries and maintenance of their aircraft in Russia.

“I think in the future this gap will become more painful for Western manufacturers than for Russia.
 
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