The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Putin was stupid to threaten nuclear war over such a small "red line". You should never write bigger cheques with your mouth than you can actually cash in. What is he going to do now? Tactically nuke Ramstein? It was a dumb ultimatum which was going to collapse at some point anyway.

The logical choice would be to arm the West's enemies in the MENA region, but Putin should have said so in the beginning instead of hyping some nonsense about nuclear weapons. And that's likely all that Russia will do in response to this (very minor) move by the West. Nothing much will fundamentally change, which is why Putin's hysterical rhetoric was a self-own.

A nation should have very few redlines which you are absolutely ready to back up if someone crosses them. A good example would be China's threat to encircle/invade Taiwan if Taipei were to announce independence. Everyone understands that China is serious. Putin by contrast clowned himself by pretending WW3 was going to break out over Ukraine hitting an ammo depot in Bryansk region. He not only looks weak to the West but also to his own domestic audience. Hopes he learn from this stupid mistake. Redlines should be few and realistic.

When the message doesn’t make sense to you, then you are not the intended recipient.

Personally I don’t think all of Putin’s ‘threats’ about nuclear war are meant for NATO, but rather for audiences in the East, because guess who doesn’t want global nuclear MAD even more than NATO?

I would not be surprised at all if the Russian military suddenly got another major power boost from their ‘own indigenous’ weapons development and manufacturing efforts. And/or if their space bases early warning and detection capabilities mysteriously got a quantum leap in both quality and quantity, etc.

If things got really dire for Russia, who’s to say they can’t hold regular large scale military training exercises with a certain other major Flanker user and do mutual base visits. Maybe they declare live fire training zones over parts of western Russia, and whose fault would it be if NATO cruise missiles entered said live fire zones without prior notification and got shot down?
 

Index

Senior Member
Registered Member
Putin was stupid to threaten nuclear war over such a small "red line". You should never write bigger cheques with your mouth than you can actually cash in. What is he going to do now? Tactically nuke Ramstein? It was a dumb ultimatum which was going to collapse at some point anyway.

The logical choice would be to arm the West's enemies in the MENA region, but Putin should have said so in the beginning instead of hyping some nonsense about nuclear weapons. And that's likely all that Russia will do in response to this (very minor) move by the West. Nothing much will fundamentally change, which is why Putin's hysterical rhetoric was a self-own.

A nation should have very few redlines which you are absolutely ready to back up if someone crosses them. A good example would be China's threat to encircle/invade Taiwan if Taipei were to announce independence. Everyone understands that China is serious. Putin by contrast clowned himself by pretending WW3 was going to break out over Ukraine hitting an ammo depot in Bryansk region. He not only looks weak to the West but also to his own domestic audience. Hopes he learn from this stupid mistake. Redlines should be few and realistic.
His domestic audience doesn't really care what exact words he uses, as long as the war and economy goes well.

Putin's nuclear threats are only rhetoric for his suppliers. Its just trying to argue for more funding, arms and industry support by feigning outrage at NATO then dangling the prospect of "guys if they threaten us too much we will have to use nukes so you better give us even more stuff to ensure it never happens!".

In the end Putin is also serving a similar role as Zelensky, he's just more fiscally responsible and runs a much more in shape country.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Trump will hopefully show Putin that everything has a price.
LOL Yup, Trump will put a price on Ukraine alright. You couldn't think that Trump would get the best of Putin, right? That's like Forest Gump beating Bobby fisher at chess.
What a husky bitch!!!
Started from a child wanting to help his country, ended up head of the KGB and then the country. Those who dare call him a bitch do it only thousands of miles away behind a computer.
First seized Crimea,
Yeah, wars are about taking land, so what?
then attacked Ukraine again and now complains that the boomerang is coming back.
It's not a complaint; it's an explanation to someone who somehow interprets this as Russian aggression when it is Russian defense.
Everything he says sounds reasonable to me. Anything you find off?
 

B777LR

Junior Member
Registered Member
You say the Russian Su-24 has been flinging the UMPK, but all the videos I saw thus far used the Su-34 to do this.

I'm not going to go back through several hundred pages of this thread, but it has been posted here as well. The Su-24s go out with the same loadout of 4x UPMKs as the Su-34s mostly do.

A simple software update doesn't sound likely. Although I don't know how Russian aircraft work, software updates tend to be way faster and would see the entire fleet updated in very short time, days or at most weeks. That hasn't been the case.
 
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