The War in the Ukraine

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Why should Ukraine promise not to join NATO? Why doesn't NATO just declare not considering to admit Ukraine for 20 years? The US want to be something but at the same time not want to do something. :D 又想做婊子,又想立牌坊。

Besides, cease-fire is not acceptable if NATO continue supplying weapons. Russia's objective is to make Ukraine neutral, with Russia having an upper hand right now, there is no reason to stop. As always the best comparison, Korean ceasefire was reached because both sides reached the max of what they could get from the battel field AND both China and US had boots on the ground. Today, Russia is gaining more and US does not have meaningful boots on the ground, it is far away from ceasefire.

Now I see how the US is building a new defence line (from supposed China/Russia advancement), the democrat pushes every "allies" to the front line, the republican then does the retreat. Repeating couple of times there will be a defence line built with dead bodys of "allies" like sandbags.

Even 20 years is nothing in geopolitics. Putin would have to be the biggest fool alive to take any ceasefire deal when he is literally winning on all fronts on the battlefield. Especially not with Trump winning, since Trump has been abundantly clear that he wants nothing to do with the Ukrainian disaster.

So, Russia is winning on the battlefield; Ukraine’s biggest supporter has changed leadership to one against continued American funding of the war; the Europeans are drained and rapidly going broke; the west has long exhausted its sanctions arsenal against Russia; Russia has already eaten the sunk costs of said sanctions and fully embraced China; the Russian people are still overwhelmingly supportive of the war. There is literally zero reason for Russia to stop the war anytime soon and every reason to go for all of Ukraine. What’s the west going to do to try and stop them that they are not already doing?

The west, after decades of picking on hopelessly outmatched ME and African countries, have developed a perverted, entitled notion that foreign wars stop as soon as they in the west tire of it and want it to stop. I think they are now in for a painful and long overdue reality check on how ridiculous that idea is when their opponent isn’t farmers in sandals with just AKs.

And no, China will not only not do anything to reign Russia in, but will almost certainly give it full support behind the scenes to make this lesson as painful and as memorable as possible for Europe. Because while the NATO Eurotrash leadership idiots and sheeple masses will have conveniently forgotten all about their very recent boasting of broadening NATO’s reach to Asia and all the warships they sent literally around the world to China’s doorstep as crude aping of gunboat diplomacy mafia intimidation tactics, China will most certainly not have forgotten or forgiven them their trespasses, and would be keen to try and teach them this lesson in case they are brain dead enough to think they can try the same shit with China and get to call it a day when they chose if they loose.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
There is no reason at all for Putin to take any kind of a deal while he is winning. The West will have to make further moves to increase their leverage. Outside of a massive increase in weaponry shipments, putting boots on the ground is their last viable action that could force Russia to make a deal.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
There is no reason at all for Putin to take any kind of a deal while he is winning. The West will have to make further moves to increase their leverage. Outside of a massive increase in weaponry shipments, putting boots on the ground is their last viable action that could force Russia to make a deal.

Russia would be ecstatic if NATO was moronic enough to put boots on the ground en mass in Ukraine, as that will allow them to inflict massive and utterly unacceptable looses on those NATO troops to further collapse support for continued involvement in the Ukrainian war in those NATO member states.

NATO boots on the ground, formally and en mass for direct combat against Russian troops will also be the kind of escalating provocation that will cause China to full send lethal weapons support to Russia. North Korea also have a million men they can spare if the Russians need them.

To do that with a Harris win is already a colossal gamble on America starting WWIII to bail them out, to do it with Trump incoming is to basically gift wrap Western Europe for Putin.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Russia won't step into territory outside of its historical claims. If these people think Russia fighting NATO in Central Europe would be similar to what we see in Ukraine they are sorely mistaken. The Russians would demolish everything with long range weapons. If conventional is not enough they will go nuclear.
 
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tabu

Junior Member
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Russia ready to start talks with Ukraine after liberation of Kursk Region

Alexander Kryazhev / TASS

The Kremlin expresses readiness for peace talks with Ukraine on at least freezing hostilities, but expects to start them only after the AFU leaves Kursk Region. This is reported by "Vyrstka" citing three sources: two in the presidential administration and one close to the negotiation process.

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Tam

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Despite the commentary, the footage comes from the Russian assault at Antonovka by Group Vostok resulting in the take over of Antonovka. Footage edited to remove deadly parts.

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FABs arrive on Ukrainian targets in the Kharkhiv region.

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Stryker captured by the 810rd Guards Marine now put in exhibit.

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Lancet on a towed launcher.

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Ukrainian BMP-1 found destroyed.

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Humvee found destroyed.

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D-20 howitzer of the 38th MR Brigade takes out a Ukrainian mortar site in the Pokrovsk direction.

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Tornado-S strikes against Ukrainian forces hiding in the forests but are revealed by their thermal signatures to a spotting UAV. Kursk region.

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Vandal drones take out British FV103 and Swedish BvS 10 APCs.

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Destroyed French VAB APC in the Konstantinovka village.

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Krasnopol takes out a Maxxpro in the Pokrovsk direction.

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Russians evacuating an M113 in the Kursk region.

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Knocked out Kirpi somewhere in the Donbass.

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Artillery from Russian Guard special forces hit a Ukrainian UAV control center. This might be 120mm shells.

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Ukrainian positions hit by MLRS fire. Sumy region.

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Not getting Storm Shadow anymore as relationship between Labour and Zelensky worsens.

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Successful Geran strike in Odessa despite small arms fire.

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What can go wrong? Ukrainian Airborne sawing through an M846 cluster munitions warhead. The submunitions are used for FPV drones.

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Vandal FPV hits a Ukrainian BMP in Bondarevka.

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FABs arrive on Ukrainian positions in Siversk.

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FAB arrives on Ukrainian positions in Terny.

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Ukrainian BTR-4E gets taken out by a Lancet strike.


Compilation of Lancet takeouts of various SPGs of late.


Successful Russian assault towards the forest lines near Trudovoy as Kurakhovo salient closes. By Group Vostok forces. The assault sees little Ukrainian opposition.


Ukrainian vehicle with anti drone EW gets intercepted by a Vandal drone.

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Abrams gets hit by a Vandal drone in the Kursk region.

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Downed Geran-2 drone reveals a 50kg thermobaric warhead.

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Complaining about the low quality of Ukrainian mortar shells.

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FABs arrive on Ukrainian positions in Uspenovka.

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Atomicfrog

Major
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"Alexander Kryszhev / TASS" It refers to the photograph that appears in the pamphlet you are citing, it does not refer to the text as (i suppose unintentionally) it appears in your text.
So it's why it is taking so much time for them to leave, Russian need some time to grab land elsewhere before they can start talking.
 

FriedButter

Colonel
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So it's why it is taking so much time for them to leave, Russian need some time to grab land elsewhere before they can start talking.

The proposals is going to be about as successful as Elensky ultimatum summit. I don’t know why people seem to think that Trump proposing Biden offers as his own is all of a sudden going to make a difference. Russia is not going to make any concessions on what they view as an existential red line.

Just look at this proposal for example. An European patrolled demilitarized zone that inside Russia. Absolutely zero chance.

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gelgoog

Lieutenant General
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A peacekeeping mission must be done by neutral forces which are accepted by both sides of the conflict.
Not the case here. European NATO isn't a neutral party to the conflict.
It will just be considered escalation by the NATO side by Russia and treated accordingly. Putin already said what would happen to NATO troops if they entered Ukraine. And the Russians have acted on that multiple times.

It will just be considered by Russia as yet another move by NATO to push its borders eastwards. Russia has escalation dominance and no reason to accept this kind of "deal".
 
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