The War in the Ukraine

HighGround

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How can someone like you, having watched the total incompetence of the Russian military over the last 30 months, believe that they're NOT capable of something as staggeringly stupid as using highly trained specialists as line infantry?
The Russian military is capable of incredible incompetence, but the mistake Western sources routinely make is they attempt to extrapolate the worst of the Russian army to the entire force as a whole. Whenever I hear stories like this I put it in the back of my mind as something potentially possible, but highly unlikely. If it gets corroborated later, great. If not, then I guess it was fake news as usual.

I am very skeptical when I hear about things like this. This reminds of me of when ChrisO wiki claimed that Russia was sending astronauts and RosComos workers as line infantry to Ukraine on the basis of a single ad circulated in RosCosmos Telegram...
 

gelgoog

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People actually involved in the SMO will have much better pay and better chances for career improvement in the military. So it would be hardly surprising if some of the personnel chose to volunteer for these kinds of units. Like that guy supposedly did.
 

plawolf

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People actually involved in the SMO will have much better pay and better chances for career improvement in the military. So it would be hardly surprising if some of the personnel chose to volunteer for these kinds of units. Like that guy supposedly did.

Also, deliberately targeting civilian targets has this ‘odd’ tendency to make people on the receiving end get mad and want to volunteer to join the fight to come kill you even when they were previously in a nice position and didn’t need to go. Who would have guessed!

This is why Russia has purposefully held back from hitting dual use infrastructure in Ukraine like power plants and the likes for so long. It understands that hitting such targets carries many costs, some of which is a big boost in recruitment for opfor.

This is why all the Ukrainian terror tactics of trying to inflict pain and fear on ordinary Russian civilians is the most idiotic strategy imaginable. It proves beyond any reasonable doubt that Ukrainian leadership places its hatred of Russia above logic and sound strategy. Which is a sure fire way to ensure total Russian victory.
 

Index

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The Russian military is capable of incredible incompetence, but the mistake Western sources routinely make is they attempt to extrapolate the worst of the Russian army to the entire force as a whole. Whenever I hear stories like this I put it in the back of my mind as something potentially possible, but highly unlikely. If it gets corroborated later, great. If not, then I guess it was fake news as usual.

I am very skeptical when I hear about things like this. This reminds of me of when ChrisO wiki claimed that Russia was sending astronauts and RosComos workers as line infantry to Ukraine on the basis of a single ad circulated in RosCosmos Telegram...
Isolated episodes of incredible "incompetence" becomes normal whenever you try and coordinate so many people. Especially ones that haven't been in a war before. On the other hand, you also see lapses of incredible "competence" or rather "initiative" on a local level.

The job of the command is to guide the overall war strategy and keep the big picture force as intact and topped up as possible, in spite of random setbacks and exploiting random successes. That's military competence.
 

Tam

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Two Ukrainian 2S1 Gvozdika SPG knocked out, one in Sumy another in Kherson.

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Glide bombs reached Zaporozhye and taking out it's energy infrastructure. I wonder if this is with the improved longer ranged update to the UMPK kit, or this is using the UMPB D30SN.

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Russians advance in the high rise center of Torestk. Usually once the high rise falls so does the rest of the city as we saw in Krasnogorovka.

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FAB-3000 goes off on a Ukrainian force accumulation. Usage of FABs indicate Ukrainian forces have or are forced to slow down, and gather forces preparing for a new assault. Once they are no longer mobile, they become targets to air and artillery strikes.

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The area on the Oskol River continues to deteriorate for the Ukrainians.

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Rich Ukrainian blogger escapes to Romania instead of responding to summons.

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Another Ukrainian brigade commander was dismissed, this time from the vaunted AFU 72nd Brigade. I don't think he can do much on his situation and is being scape goated for the strategic mistakes of the higher command.

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Dragon's Teeth piled up and not installed in the Mirnograd area. You wonder what the Ukrainians are doing as the Russians close in.

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AFU warehouse and depot hit in Sumy region.

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Big Russian breakthrough past Niu York.

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Russian forces reached Makarovka after Urozhayne.

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Russian missile attack on the Pavlograd Chemical Plant in Dnipropetrovosk. Plant makes components, solid fuel and explosives for various missiles.

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Mine tower destroyed at Dzerzhinsk aka Toretsk. The Russians have entered the city and the Ukrainians scuttled the tower rather than have it used by the Russians.

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Swedish CV-90 blown up in minefield. Caught in two different drone angles.

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M777 and the truck towing it taking out by two Lancets.

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Two Ukrainian towed howitzers taken out by Lancets.

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Ukrainian strongholds near Ugledar being bombed.

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Russian breakthroughs between Prechystovka and Ugledar.

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Bradley taken out by ATGM.


FABs strike at Ukrainian positions in Malaya Loknya.

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Agriculture remote mining machine at work. By the 83rd Brigade, which locates this at the Kursk region near Malays Loknya. This machine is simply bad news to any offensive attacking force. What it drops in front and behind you are jumping mines.

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Artillery from the RF 72nd Brigade takes out Ukrainian fortifications with Krasnopols south of Chasiv Yar and Artemovsk.

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FAB-500 strikes at Torestk.

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Rare Ukrainian 2S7 Pion and a Krab passing it in the Kursk-Sumy region.

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Russian drones dropping surrender leaflets on Ugledar.

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Soldier30

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Footage of the use of the Russian ATGM "Kornet" against the Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicle Bradley M2A2, American-made. The video was filmed in the Pokrovsky direction. Presumably, two ATGM 9M133M-2 with a tandem-cumulative warhead and a range of up to 8,000 meters were used for firing. The firing range of the ATGM "Kornet" is up to 10,000 meters. The Bradley M2A2 IFV was attacked by two ATGMs, the first exploded in front of the tracks, the second immobilized the IFV. The BRAT add-on protection and the engine softened the effects of the ATGM strike, the crew left the combat vehicle, after which mortars began to operate in the area.

 

Soldier30

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Footage of the strike of the Russian kamikaze drone "Lancet-51" on the 122-mm Ukrainian self-propelled howitzer "Gvozdika", made in the Soviet Union. The self-propelled howitzer 2S1 "Gvozdika" was developed in 1968 and is also used by the Russian army, the firing range of the self-propelled howitzer is up to 22,000 meters with an active-reactive projectile. The self-propelled howitzer "Gvozdika" is characterized by simplicity and reliability, the self-propelled howitzer 2S1 is used by about 40 countries. The drone strike was filmed in the Sumy region of Ukraine, as a result of the strike of the drone "Lancet", a fire started in the Ukrainian self-propelled howitzer "Gvozdika" and the ammunition exploded.

 

Tam

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Not a tank. Orion UAV takes out a Ukrainian engineering machine, possibly an IMR-2. Kursk region. Mine clearing machines are a high priority target, they are few but absolutely needed to clear minefields for the Ukrainian offensive.

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Previously an Orion took out a Ukrainian MLRS. MLRS often refers to an M270. These Orions won't be flying around wreaking havoc if not for the total collapse of Ukrainian air defenses in the front.

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2S22 Bogdan 155mm SPG destroyed by a Lancet. Sumy region.

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Another day, another M142 HIMARS taken out by an Iskander followed by a Smerch or Tornado-S strike to destroy the remaining vehicles.

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Lancet takes out an ST-68 radar in the Dnipropetrovosk region.

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FABs arrive on Ukrainian forces on Novoivanovka, Kursk region.

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Another bridge used by Ukrainian logistics is taken out in the Liptsy direction, either by Krasnopol or X-38ML.

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M113 getting attacked by FPV in the Kursk region.

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New Russian machine gun to be deployed, RPL-20.

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Motor Sich plant in Zaporozhye was hit by a strike. I presume this was the FAB with UMPK reported previously. This marks an important change in the use of the FAB glide bombs where targets used to be closer to the front, with missiles striking the rear. Glide bombs are a lot cheaper, easier to make in large quantities and with bigger warheads. Bad news for Ukrainian infrastructure for the coming months.

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A previous take out of an M142 HIMARS by an Iskander and it's escort vehicles now up in YouTube for academic analysis.


Failed Ukrainian counterattack at the Glushkovo district now up in YouTube. The battle still continues so this isn't the end of it.


A note on the 2S1 Gvozdika. While heavily used and in large quantities by both sides of the war, the SPG was manufactured by the Kharkhiv Tank Plant where the MT-LB and the T-34 tank was made. Today this plant has been leveled to the ground by missile strikes.

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sheogorath

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Article with regards to Ukraine current situation on Pokrovsk, and how Ukraine hoped the Kursk push would cause the Russians to abandon other areas, which didn't happen.

On a recent sweltering afternoon, the screens of the Ukrainian National Guard’s 15th Brigade command centre lit up with alarming footage from the eastern front: the radar was showing a dozen highly-destructive Russian glide bombs barrelling towards Ukrainian positions.
Another screen displayed hacked feeds from Russian suicide drones zeroing in on Ukrainian tanks. And a third, coming from a Ukrainian reconnaissance drone, was tracking enemy motorcycles and dune buggies headed towards Kyiv’s forces.


Some commanders and many soldiers see this as the cost of the Kursk offensive and a poor trade-off.
“Kursk was a good idea, it exposed Russia as being weaker than many people believed,” said a commander of a Ukrainian ground forces unit. “But we are paying the price of it with [more of our own land].”

Russia’s main strategy has remained the same since the start of its
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in 2022: overpowering Ukrainian forces with sheer might and resource advantages, Phoenix and commanders from four other Ukrainian brigades told the Financial Times this month. They all complained their soldiers were sometimes outnumbered at a ratio of 1:8 and that for every shell fired, Russians were firing 10 or more.

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