The War in the Ukraine

RedBaron

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So what exactly is the whole purpose on invading Kursk?
Strengthening negotiation position I assume.
Aren't you confusing the different sub-reddits? r/RussiaUkraineWar2022 is obviously pro-Ukrainian, r/UkraineRussiaReport has a very Russian bias.
There is no such thing as "Russian bias" on Reddit or any Western owned social media platform for that matter.
 

_killuminati_

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Strengthening negotiation position I assume.

There is no such thing as "Russian bias" on Reddit or any Western owned social media platform for that matter.
There are actually quite a few white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups in the West that favor Russia from even before the war. I know this trend was present in Ukraine, but I'm certain it is also present in Russia. Coincidentally, I was reading earlier about something totally unrelated (satanic cults) and found Western groups, some originating as far as 1960s Britain, that are involved in and contributing as volunteers to the Russian side in the war.

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sheogorath

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What seems to be left of the CR2 that got hammered in Kursk


Details of another damaged CR2


Ukranian APC running from FPV's ends up crashing into a barrier


More details on the situation on the rest of the front for the Ukranians:
  • 10-to-1 advantage in artillery for the Russians on multiple points of the frontline
  • Extreme shortage of manpower that has required the use of cooks and mechanics to fill in the trenches
  • Only 20% of the casualties get replaced, usually by men older than what they initially had
 

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sheogorath

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Am I seeing it correctly that the orange part is what remains of the thrown turret? Or did the whole turret explode into bits and throw away the barrel only?

Makes one wonder if it's an innate vulnerability of the tank or if the hit was just that powerful.

It is hard to tell, whats underneath could well be the hull. But yeah, the ammo distribution of the Challenger 2 has always been pretty questionable particularly due to the fact that the tank uses three-piece ammunition(projectile, propellant charge, electric vent tube), which forced them to storage ammo and charges all around the fighting compartment.

While the charges are kept inside containers, these aren't wet, so yeah, Challengers 2 have always been contenders for the turret tossing contest. They just have never faced enemies that could actually shoot back until now so there is a lot of hype surrounding the tank, even when multiple NATO and the UK's own test have showed it is a subpar tank particularly when compared to the the M1 or Leopard 2.

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It is hard to tell, whats underneath could well be the hull. But yeah, the ammo distribution of the Challenger 2 has always been pretty questionable particularly due to the fact that the tank uses three-piece ammunition(projectile, propellant charge, electric vent tube), which forced them to storage ammo and charges all around the fighting compartment.

While the charges are kept inside containers, these aren't wet, so yeah, Challengers 2 have always been contenders for the turret tossing contest. They just have never faced enemies that could actually shoot back until now so there is a lot of hype surrounding the tank, even when multiple NATO and the UK's own test have showed it is a subpar tank particularly when compared to the the M1 or Leopard 2.

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Bruh.

Is this the least crew safe semi-modern tank in this war?

One penetration into the turret, not even the hull, and it combusts internally. It has the easy to disable ammo rack of the Abrams but without blast doors... No wonder why Ukraine were holding these tanks for so long.

I thought challengers had the same blast doors as Abrams and the ammo was stored outside the crew area.
 

sheogorath

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Bruh.

Is this the least crew safe semi-modern tank in this war?

One penetration into the turret, not even the hull, and it combusts internally. It has the easy to disable ammo rack of the Abrams but without blast doors... No wonder why Ukraine were holding these tanks for so long.

I thought challengers had the same blast doors as Abrams and the ammo was stored outside the crew area.

Challenger 2 is an excercise in compromise where a lot of questionable choices and sacrifices were made in the name of keeping the "Made in the UK" tag for political points while also trying to keep the costs down through commonality with the older Challenger 1 and Chieftain.
But yes, the ammo in general is far less isolated than in the Leopard 2, Abrams or Leclerc. Even the T tanks have better ammo protection as long as the crew doesn't keep ammo outside the caroussel.

Still better than the Ariete, though.
 
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