They may prefer to play it safe:
First gather proof, that go to UN and make the case for a no fly zone, get support from the world but get vetoed by we know who, and than establish it and shoot them down
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The War in the Ukraine
- Thread starter SampanViking
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First gather proof, that go to UN and make the case for a no fly zone, get support from the world but get vetoed by we know who, and than establish it and shoot them down
There is only one answer to the constant erosions of the red line. More and more Russian mobilization of man power and industry. Russia is still playing at war instead of seriously fighting it tooth and nail. In WW2, they were able to field an army of 12 million as their maximum. Population of the soviet union was 180 million in 1939. That's not much bigger than modern Russia. Yes, maybe Russia has less younger men or less ability to mobilize that many people.
But they should have the ability to mobilize 2 million easily. Right now they are fighting in Ukraine with 3-400 thousand men. Its too small.
The key for the Russian victory in WW2 was not simply conscripting and expending 2 generations of men- it was how they reformed their army in wartime conditions from an army that was incapable of combined-arms maneuver warfare to one that could pull off "Deep Battle/Soviet Blitzkrieg" by 1943. This was a very complicated process. Without this institutional achievement they've would have been bogged down in positional war.
Whether the Russian federation will be able to innovate/reform like the Soviet Union this remains to be seen- they could be trying to do so behind the scenes to create a new military for the 21st century.
I posted a link to some open sources about the 153rd Tank Regiment (newly raised in 2023) of the 47th Tank Division. It does not appear to be substantially different in organization to pre-war or even cold war tank units.
Regarding escalation, they appear to be careful not to escalate too much themselves, and keep the war at low intensity, and minimize the West's interference. Literally every victory they get, gets some sort of response from the West ( look at what happened after the Kharkiv' operation). If they do have great combat power, it will be revealed when they start using 1 million heavy artillery rounds a month like in 2022 (if they have it).
The political and economic cost to the Russian state to declare war on Ukraine is much higher than all the propaganda strikes with Western weapons.
There is a a trump card that Russia could use without having to encounter any of these side effects. Deploy DPRK forces.The political and economic cost to the Russian state to declare war on Ukraine is much higher than all the propaganda strikes with Western weapons.
That one might be reserved for when NATO deploys a significant number of "mercenaries".There is a a trump card that Russia could use without having to encounter any of these side effects. Deploy DPRK forces.
I'm imagining nightmare scenario (if true) of deploying DPRK forces. Would they be trustworthy troops that won't defect for a meal? Are they the "well trained" troops? How the hell are they going to communicate with Russian forces incase they get pounded by Ukraine arty and PFV drones? Are they bringing their own equipment like tanks, IFVs, MLRS, SP arty, towed arty and other armored vehicles?There is a a trump card that Russia could use without having to encounter any of these side effects. Deploy DPRK forces.
So many question but I gotta admit I am very intrigue (if true) to see DPRK forces fight and see what they got.
Instead of ramming drones which can make you lose one, Russian are using drones dropping nets on Ukrainian drones to crash them, maybe even capture and recycle them for their own use.
Some channels called this a FAB strike but this strike turns out to be using UMPB D-30SN. From the strike perspective there's nothing to indicate a UMPB from a FAB-250 UMPK strikes. Both tends to appear in clusters of four and both allow strikes from a greater range. The UMPB however allows for a more streamlined body to achieve even greater range, and will be gradually see more numbers used as the stocks of FAB-250 are depleted.
This building is observed by UAVs to have all sorts of military vehicles going in and out in Kherson. It gets bombed by an ODAB-1500.
VT-40s attack a Maxxpro. The first drone hits it and immobilized it. The second one finishes it off. By the Vega detachment.
Russian advances are reported all over the Kupyansk Svatovo direction.
Missile attacks all over near Kviv, Kinzhals, Kalibers and Gerans involved. Once again airfields are targeted.
AFU vehicles getting taken out south of Chasiv Yar in the Kanal microdistrict. By the 98th VDV.
Kharkhiv front. Ukrainian forces resort to hiding in the forest sections for shelter. Grad MLRS fired on forest sections for maximum area of effect.
Another daily FAB bombing on the Ukrainian side of the Dniepr.
Mitsubishi pickup after hit by a Russian FPV drone.
This Grand Mangal on a T-72B3 has reached to truly artistic proportions.
North Korean 130mm OF-482M shells for the M-46 gun found with Russian artillerymen.
Bradley managed to shoot down a Russian FPV drone using it's 25mm Bushmaster gun.
ATGM richochets off the ground but manages to recover and find it's target. By the Viking Squad.
FAB-500 strikes in Zaporozhye and Kherson. I would think the Russians are caple of landing multiple FABs at the same spot nearly at the same time, would that make larger FABs redundant?
Some channels called this a FAB strike but this strike turns out to be using UMPB D-30SN. From the strike perspective there's nothing to indicate a UMPB from a FAB-250 UMPK strikes. Both tends to appear in clusters of four and both allow strikes from a greater range. The UMPB however allows for a more streamlined body to achieve even greater range, and will be gradually see more numbers used as the stocks of FAB-250 are depleted.
This building is observed by UAVs to have all sorts of military vehicles going in and out in Kherson. It gets bombed by an ODAB-1500.
VT-40s attack a Maxxpro. The first drone hits it and immobilized it. The second one finishes it off. By the Vega detachment.
Russian advances are reported all over the Kupyansk Svatovo direction.
Missile attacks all over near Kviv, Kinzhals, Kalibers and Gerans involved. Once again airfields are targeted.
AFU vehicles getting taken out south of Chasiv Yar in the Kanal microdistrict. By the 98th VDV.
Kharkhiv front. Ukrainian forces resort to hiding in the forest sections for shelter. Grad MLRS fired on forest sections for maximum area of effect.
Another daily FAB bombing on the Ukrainian side of the Dniepr.
Mitsubishi pickup after hit by a Russian FPV drone.
This Grand Mangal on a T-72B3 has reached to truly artistic proportions.
North Korean 130mm OF-482M shells for the M-46 gun found with Russian artillerymen.
Bradley managed to shoot down a Russian FPV drone using it's 25mm Bushmaster gun.
ATGM richochets off the ground but manages to recover and find it's target. By the Viking Squad.
FAB-500 strikes in Zaporozhye and Kherson. I would think the Russians are caple of landing multiple FABs at the same spot nearly at the same time, would that make larger FABs redundant?
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Perhaps a worthwhile response to that Sevastopol attack is the sinking of a US carrier by Houthis armed with russian version of the ATACMs
Russia have a lot of targets and options to respond. It all comes down to if they want to go up that escalation escalator. IIRC, Russia's MoFA Spokeswoman talked about the numerous US bases around the World.
I'm imagining nightmare scenario (if true) of deploying DPRK forces. Would they be trustworthy troops that won't defect for a meal? Are they the "well trained" troops? How the hell are they going to communicate with Russian forces incase they get pounded by Ukraine arty and PFV drones? Are they bringing their own equipment like tanks, IFVs, MLRS, SP arty, towed arty and other armored vehicles?
So many question but I gotta admit I am very intrigue (if true) to see DPRK forces fight and see what they got.
North Korean troops were in both Syria and Libya, didn't hear about any defections from those places. North Korea even rents out its forced workers to employers in the European Union (Poland, Czechia and Malta included), again without defections.
Ukrainian UAV operators nest in Kherson gets an ODAB-1500 visit. For Christ sakes, anyone can still be left alive in that building?
Original footage and geolocation. The site is also used as a military supply transshipment point to merit such a powerful weapon.
M777 gets taken out using a Krasnopol from the Siberian Association unit.
FABs arrive at Prechystivka, in the Ugledar direction.
A German Pzh2000 SPG gets taken out by a 2S7M Malka with a 203mm howitzer. A ZALA and Orlan 30 provides artillery adjustment.
Russian artillery takes out a Ukrainian UAV operators nest in Berislav in Kherson region.
24 Ukrainian men trying to flee the country gets caught by the border guard.
The 238th hits a Ukrainian howitzer using an M-46 gun.
Once again the 238th taking out targets with the M-46 gun.
FABs arrive in the Kharkhiv region as observed by the 1st Tank Army.
Ukrainian UAV control site in Zarichne gets taken out.
Arestovich says six AFU battalions refuse to carry out orders near Torestk.
Azov accuses General Sodol of not sending them ammunition and supplies but ordering them to attack.
Siberian Association takes out a Ukrainian warehouse of ammunition in Karlivka.
Two Ukrainian MiG-29s flying extremely low to avoid Russian AD then climbs rapidly to launch AASM-250 Hammer bombs.
Communication center of the AFU in Zaporozhye hit by FAB-500 bombs.
Russian helicopters including Ka-52, Mi-8 and Mi-28 attacking Ukrainian positions near Volchansk.
Combat work of an M-46 gun crew. The crew has claimed taking out several Ukrainian 120mm mortars, a tank and a Stryker.
FABs arriving in the village of Narami.
Two Russian Grads working on the same area in Malaya Tokmachka, Zaporozhye.
Ukrainian D-30 taken out by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region.
Ukrainian communication center in Prechystivka taken out by a LMUR.
Krab SPG taken out by Lancet.
Original footage and geolocation. The site is also used as a military supply transshipment point to merit such a powerful weapon.
M777 gets taken out using a Krasnopol from the Siberian Association unit.
FABs arrive at Prechystivka, in the Ugledar direction.
A German Pzh2000 SPG gets taken out by a 2S7M Malka with a 203mm howitzer. A ZALA and Orlan 30 provides artillery adjustment.
Russian artillery takes out a Ukrainian UAV operators nest in Berislav in Kherson region.
24 Ukrainian men trying to flee the country gets caught by the border guard.
The 238th hits a Ukrainian howitzer using an M-46 gun.
Once again the 238th taking out targets with the M-46 gun.
FABs arrive in the Kharkhiv region as observed by the 1st Tank Army.
Ukrainian UAV control site in Zarichne gets taken out.
Arestovich says six AFU battalions refuse to carry out orders near Torestk.
Azov accuses General Sodol of not sending them ammunition and supplies but ordering them to attack.
Siberian Association takes out a Ukrainian warehouse of ammunition in Karlivka.
Two Ukrainian MiG-29s flying extremely low to avoid Russian AD then climbs rapidly to launch AASM-250 Hammer bombs.
Communication center of the AFU in Zaporozhye hit by FAB-500 bombs.
Russian helicopters including Ka-52, Mi-8 and Mi-28 attacking Ukrainian positions near Volchansk.
Combat work of an M-46 gun crew. The crew has claimed taking out several Ukrainian 120mm mortars, a tank and a Stryker.
FABs arriving in the village of Narami.
Two Russian Grads working on the same area in Malaya Tokmachka, Zaporozhye.
Ukrainian D-30 taken out by Lancet in the Kharkhiv region.
Ukrainian communication center in Prechystivka taken out by a LMUR.
Krab SPG taken out by Lancet.
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US in negotiations for Israeli PAC batteries to send to Ukraine
Huge if it goes through. Right now 3 Patriot batteries with a SAMP-T has kept VKS from having air superiority over the frontlines this would also put a huge dent in cruise missile and shaheed attacks. You can add a PAC-3 launcher from US to these batteries incase of BM attack.
Huge if it goes through. Right now 3 Patriot batteries with a SAMP-T has kept VKS from having air superiority over the frontlines this would also put a huge dent in cruise missile and shaheed attacks. You can add a PAC-3 launcher from US to these batteries incase of BM attack.