The War in the Ukraine

Atomicfrog

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Would this be the first 5th gen ever destroyed in combat?
If they start to travel all over the country undercover with small rc planes and drones, they could destroy quite a lot of stuff. It's high reward small cost operations.

Old soviet underground hangars will need to be used and strategic bombers put at far base lost in middle of Siberia if Ukraine go full yolo on these assets. You clearly cannot protect them without doing that. Cheap prefab steel hangars are a bare minimum...
 

supersnoop

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Nah. Colonel just confirmed what many folks already knew. German launcher is a non trailer pulling launcher making it very mobile and many folks including me speculated correctly.

Don’t pat yourself on the shoulder too hard there, might leave a bruise…

Do you think Americans don’t lie because of the Washington cherry tree story? What about the Chinese balloon that was “definitely” carrying a “surveillance payload”?
 

SolarWarden

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Don’t pat yourself on the shoulder too hard there, might leave a bruise…

Do you think Americans don’t lie because of the Washington cherry tree story? What about the Chinese balloon that was “definitely” carrying a “surveillance payload”?
Thaks for caring.

Oh you and your whataboutisms... Russian AWACS was shot down and the obvious culprit was a mobile PAC-2 and now confirmed by US Colonel. Just accept the obvious.
 

Overbom

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Old soviet underground hangars will need to be used and strategic bombers put at far base lost in middle of Siberia if Ukraine go full yolo on these assets. You clearly cannot protect them without doing that. Cheap prefab steel hangars are a bare minimum...
Startegic and very expensive planes should be in (ideally hardened) hangars. Shocking stuff

Can someone drop this advice to the Russians because for some strange reason they love leaving stuff out there in the open.
 

tankphobia

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Startegic and very expensive planes should be in (ideally hardened) hangars. Shocking stuff

Can someone drop this advice to the Russians because for some strange reason they love leaving stuff out there in the open.
Honestly more pressing issue for the Russians is that Ukraine is now able to reliably strike Russian Bases almost 600 km away from the border with astonishing accuracy, almost 1000km from Kharkiv without getting detected or shot down. I can almost excuse the planes not being in a shelter because why would such a deep strike not be detected and stopped long before it reaches the target? If launched from Kharkiv, the UAVs would have to fly for 4+ hours through some of the most monitored airspace in the world without getting shot down or EW'd.

I'm beginning to have a feeling the various "PR" strikes are actually forcing Russian forces to spread their SHORAD out and decreasing the overall effectiveness. It's impossible for Russia to post sufficient tor/buk/Pantsir at every oil facility, port or airbase. They need a delicate balance between posting such system on frontline fighting and rear echelon protection, even the sea drone strike is now causing Russia to dedicate resources into helicopter patrols over the black sea.

As an aside, this is a google maps satellite of the airport that was struck, seems that only jets that will be scrambled have dirt berms as protection. airport.jpg
 

Santamaria

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Honestly more pressing issue for the Russians is that Ukraine is now able to reliably strike Russian Bases almost 600 km away from the border with astonishing accuracy, almost 1000km from Kharkiv without getting detected or shot down.
I assume this was hit by a Ukrainian agent operating a drone, not by any kind of missile.

There is basically nothing Russia can do to stop this kinds of attacks:

- Intel coming from ISR NATO satellites -> Russia can’t destroy them without causing a nuclear war

- Ukrainians are identical to Russians in everything. It is a nightmare situation to find foreign agents in such circumstances.

This is a war, you suffer loses, you grind and continue.
Simple as that.

Of course, the parrrots here use every opportunity to claim that Russia is a disaster and deserve to lose the war, but I don’t think nobody cares about their opinion. At least nobody clever.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Seems PAC-2 missiles range is more than 160kms and by a lot. Now the question is what guided the missile? That German Patriot radar was nowhere near the front.
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Both the A-50 and the IL-22 were operating near the Azov Sea and intercepted within 10 minutes of one another. All collected evidence to date is the A-50U was hit while airborne, broke apart and crashed with all 15 on-board killed, while the IL-22 managed to make an emergency landing with a severely damaged plane.

That was the result, some reports and analysts have suggested, of a one-two deception by Ukraine’s air defense units utilizing a Ukrainian S-300 (SA-10) battery in concert with a US-made Patriot PAC-3 unit.

According to some reports, the S-300 crew likely switched on their radar until the emissions were reported by a VKS Su-34 fighter, which then notified the A-50U and IL-22M to vector towards those coordinates to gather targeting information.

The S-300 radar then provided the location of the Russian airborne targets and handed off that data to the Patriot crew. When the time was right, the Patriot crew switched on its radar for only a few secondsan adequate interval to receive the S-300’s targeting data, but too short of a time for Russian receivers to identify the US-made system.

The Russian planes, lured in by the S-300, were then targeted by the Patriot system. Once the Ukrainian Patriot fired its missiles and hit their targets, both the S-300 and PAC-3 batteries shut down all radar transmissions and immediately moved from their position. This made it impossible for Russian aircraft to locate them from their emissions and strike back.

The move would be an example of the “
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” type of operations that Ukrainian units have been carrying out since 2022. It would also demonstrate that the Ukrainian air force may be willing to risk placing one of its PAC-3 batteries closer than normal to the front lines.
 

Sinnavuuty

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Honestly more pressing issue for the Russians is that Ukraine is now able to reliably strike Russian Bases almost 600 km away from the border with astonishing accuracy, almost 1000km from Kharkiv without getting detected or shot down. I can almost excuse the planes not being in a shelter because why would such a deep strike not be detected and stopped long before it reaches the target? If launched from Kharkiv, the UAVs would have to fly for 4+ hours through some of the most monitored airspace in the world without getting shot down or EW'd.

I'm beginning to have a feeling the various "PR" strikes are actually forcing Russian forces to spread their SHORAD out and decreasing the overall effectiveness. It's impossible for Russia to post sufficient tor/buk/Pantsir at every oil facility, port or airbase. They need a delicate balance between posting such system on frontline fighting and rear echelon protection, even the sea drone strike is now causing Russia to dedicate resources into helicopter patrols over the black sea.
The Ukrainians, committed to deep-range strikes, have found ways to poke holes in Russia's air defense gaps, with help from their NATO allies. Your statement about the dispersion of anti-aircraft defense assets makes sense, but the Ukrainians are looking for attack routes to attack in depth.
 
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