The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog said:

I thought the Cessna drone was jammed and failed to hit the Geran-2 drone producing facility. Hitting some residential buildings and injuring two people there. Is that what passes for a Ukrainian success these days?

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It is not a Ukrainian success, it is just a sample of Russian efficiency...

those things are tried over and over again in Israel, and they don't happen as often as they happen in Russia lately, and it's disappointing when before the war it was believed that Russia had decent anti-aircraft armor

Just imagining that a drone flies 1,200 km over your territory with impunity is alarming to anyone, but we are talking about dozens of attacks that are happening, not isolated cases, today we are only talking about the longest recorded since the beginning of the war. ...as the Ukrainians devise methods to attack from greater distances, we will continue to see these attacks cause damage in Russia... and we are talking about Ukraine, a country limited to offending through modern aerial means

Sheleah said:

Just imagining that a drone flies 1,200 km over your territory with impunity is alarming to anyone, but we are talking about dozens of attacks that are happening, not isolated cases, today we are only talking about the longest recorded since the beginning of the war. ...as the Ukrainians devise methods to attack from greater distances, we will continue to see these attacks cause damage in Russia... and we are talking about Ukraine, a country limited to offending through modern aerial means

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Do we even know it really flew that distance, or is this just conjecture?
It isn't hard to believe a civilian airplane flying nap of the Earth could fly without getting detected all the way through. But I haven't seen any confirmation of where it came from yet.

gelgoog said:

Do we even know it really flew that distance, or is this just conjecture?

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Because it would surprise you, a common Cessna has an autonomy within the range... if you consider the modification made it could even be higher.... we also have that history of the flight of that German who flew over the Soviet Union without being detected until he fell on red square in Moscow

The other scenario is that it is modified and will be filled with explosives inside Russia, which would also be a conjecture... and the truth is that Russian inefficiency allows thousands of conjectures to be made.

What is true is that some here criticized Saudi Arabia and its Western systems for allowing several attacks on its Refineries by the Huties.... now I see them only justifying mediocrely, every time Russian targets are hit within Russian territory

According to TASS the attack on the oil refinery in Tatarstan failed because of Russian electronic warfare.

Ukraine seems to have failed their strikes on strategic targets this time. And yet this is being passed as some sort of Ukrainian victory or Russian failure.

Of course something will always pass through. And yes it is hard to detect low flying aircraft, especially slow aircraft, with radar because of ground clutter. It's just how things are. And regardless of how many air defense systems Russia has they won't cover the whole vastness of Russia. There will always be areas with lack of coverage.

Attacks like these are much more embarrassing for Israel and Saudi Arabia, rich countries backed by major military countries and fighting just against Palestinians and Houthis, some of the poorest and most isolated people in the world without access to any advanced intelligence or weapons support.

But Russia is fighting against the largest European army that is financed, armed and trained directly by NATO.

And all NATO could do was half a dozen terrorist attacks like the poor, desperate Palestinians and Houthis do sometimes?

This is much more shameful for NATO. Tremendously more.

Yes, Russia is too restrained. But with the economy doing well, panicking and threatening a big war now is a difficult choice.

Either way, they will have to learn how to prevent these terrorist activities from their desperate enemies and move on.

I don't think Russia is too restrained. I used to think so earlier in the war, but it seems like the course they took works well for them. Ending the war now would only give the collective west a breather - March manufacturing PMI shows Russia reaching a new high (55.7), and Germany reaching a new low (41.9, sic!). The Russians are holding NATO's heads under water, at this point they just need to run down the clock.

gelgoog said:

Ukraine seems to have failed their strikes on strategic targets this time. And yet this is being passed as some sort of Ukrainian victory or Russian failure

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Yes, and Aramco is still one of the main hydrocarbon producers in the world.... that did not stop the pro-Russians from boasting about "analyzing" how bad the Saudi defenses and their "Western" defense systems were. In the attacks on the Russian refineries, I only see cheap excuses from the same people who criticized.....

reality hits you in the face and hard...

quim said:

Attacks like these are much more embarrassing for Israel and Saudi Arabia, rich countries backed by major military countries and fighting just against Palestinians and Houthis, some of the poorest and most isolated people in the world without access to any advanced intelligence or weapons support.

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Thank you for remembering that Russia is not a rich country.

So far I have not seen as many failures in Israel as in Russia, despite the fact that attacks have been constantly attempted for decades at much shorter distances, not only with missiles and drones, but with the support of Iranian intelligence.

Proxy wars allow us to demonstrate certain capabilities of the enemy... and NATO has been able to overlook all the Russian inefficiencies and debunk all the Russian myths, with mediocre resources in Ukraine, they have not even needed to send advanced drones, only with improvised and low-quality drones technological, they have managed to demonstrate that not only the Saudis and their Patriots were incapable, but that the Russians and all their systems seem even worse

153rd Mechanized Brigade is just Brigade no longer Mechanized for the lack of vehicles.


What remains of a Ukrainian MIC factory in Kharkhiv after strikes.


Krasnopol arrives into a Ukrainian position. Kharkhiv region.


Direct artillery hit on a Ukrainian Gvozdika SPG.


Su-24 prepares to deliver it's payload. Note the crew is advertising their newly donated smartwatches.


Mobilization caused more financial damage to Ukraine than a full invasion.


This T-64BV gets destroyed by a Lancet. And I mean gone.


X-38ML hits a bridge near Kupyansk. Similar to a Krasnopol, an Orlan lights the target after the missile is fired from an aircraft.


Russian frigate being loaded with Kalibers from a satellite photo.


Gerans arriving in Kharkhiv.


Ukrainian field ammo depot gets hit by FPV drone from the 200th Brigade.


Ugledar getting bombed again.


Gvozdika goes up after hit by a Lancet.


Ukrainian position gets hit by Krasnopol in Karlivka.


TOS hits Ukrainian positions in Urozhayne.


Ukrainian ATGM nest on top of a building gets hit by Krasnopol from the 238th Brigade. This might be lased from the ground.


Ukrainian transport truck gets hit by ATGM.


M109 gets nailed by Krasnopols in Karlovka.


LMUR hits a Ukrainian base in a house in Zaporozhye. Such houses are used as bases by Ukrainian UAV operators.


Ukrainian armored vehicle taken out by ATGM from the 155th Marine Brigade.


FAB hit, probably a 1500.


Ukrainian radar gets hit by a Lancet in Konstantinovka.


Ukrainian artillery silenced by Krasnopol from a MSTA-S in the Avdeyevka sector.

Sheleah said:

..we also have that history of the flight of that German who flew over the Soviet Union without being detected until he fell on red square in Moscow

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It has long been established that Mathias Rust was detected and tracked, but permission was not granted to SAM (54th Air Defence Corps) or the Mig-23's involved on more than one intercept (primarily Lt. Puchnin) to shoot the plane down.

The turret cannot be used 360° in that configuration, probably just the front arc. T-62 used for indirect fire. That's some camo cage !