The War in the Ukraine

Phead128 said:

Was that IR smoke deployed at the end or was there an explosion of the turret?

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I think the smokes were ignited by the Bradleys fire. You can see a bright fire in the front before the smokes ignite.

I think any modern tank is going to lose to a Bradley if it sees you first with a shower of DU rounds destroying optical/targeting sensors and drivers scope. I wish there was a close up pic of the aftermath to see if the T90s barrel was penetrated.

SolarWarden said:

I think the smokes were ignited by the Bradleys fire. You can see a bright fire in the front before the smokes ignite.

I think any modern tank is going to lose to a Bradley if it sees you first with a shower of DU rounds destroying optical/targeting sensors and drivers scope. I wish there was a close up pic of the aftermath to see if the T90s barrel was penetrated.

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Not sure if they were using DU or only DU. I saw tracers and explosions in the surface of the tank. Might have been HEI. I'm not an expert, just my observation.

It’s never a good idea to draw broad conclusions from extreme case examples.

We also have examples of individual soldiers being able to dummy and dodge FPV drones or shoot them down mid-air, that doesn’t mean by any stretch of the imagination that infantry are now immune to FPVs.

IFVs winning a stand-up fight against a tank is very much an extremely unlikely outcome, which is why there is so much interest and hype focused on this engagement. But how many instances have there been where tanks just popped IFVs like targets?

But if we go back to the actual engagement itself, it’s perhaps telling that there isn’t a full length normal speed version of it released yet. Even from the sped up version, it’s looks very much like the T90 got hit by something else early in the engagement from the size of the explosion and smoke.

If this engagement is an illustration of anything, it’s more merited to say it illustrates just what a force multiplier drones have become in modern warfare.

Tye Bradley’s had superior situation awareness due to friendly observation drones, and very likely had FPV assistance in disabling the T90.

Had the T90 had drone spotter assistance itself, it very likely could have nailed both Bradley’s from a good distance without much drama.

Yeah. The Bradleys (it was two of them not one) did their task at suppressing the T-90M but it was the drones which both spotted it and delivered the killing blows really.

I think the tank did pretty well given the situation it was in but they clearly need better integration with drones for spotting like @plawolf said.

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Destroyed M109 somewhere in the front. At least 56 confirmed losses on this type.


Another new Ka-52 kill. This one went through the foliage for the kill.


Lancet manages to critically damage a Ukrainian Buk, destroying it's radar. The footage is probably old but released for the first time. There are often unreleased videos of Lancets attacks that will surface late.


Ukrainian temporary deployment point taken out by LMUR, this time being fired from a Ka-52M. That's with the M, modified version now capable of firing the LMUR.


A Canadian Super Bison in Kherson that was destroyed by a Lancet.


TOS strike on Ukrainian positions in this forest plantation. Trenches do not protect against a thermobaric strike.


TOS strikes on Ukrainian positions in the Kupyansk a region.


Ukrainian UAV was surpressed with EW, but the bombs ended up being released over some gasoline tanks.


Tankers from Buryatia using 9M119M ATGMs and 3UBK20 rounds on Ukrainian armored vehicles in Yuzno-Donetsk.


Ukrainian tank gets hit by Lancet in Yuzno-Donetsk.


Wolfhound MRAP and PT-91 tank destroyed in the Rabotino area.


Lancet takes out a camouflaged target.

SolarWarden said:

I think any modern tank is going to lose to a Bradley if it sees you first with a shower of DU rounds destroying optical/targeting sensors and drivers scope. I wish there was a close up pic of the aftermath to see if the T90s barrel was penetrated.

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This is really failure of the T90 crew, deployment strategy, or pure luck. MBT should outrange even the TOW missile of the Bradley, let alone the autocannon.

Like saying a modern soldier is going to lose to a guy with a sword because he can decapitate him.

That area had houses so they could have been hiding behind them.

The failure was that of the operational commander who sent a lone T-90 to carry out this mission. Despite this, the tank crew had several chances to put the Bradley out of action, but failed.

The Russian tank withstood many cannon fire and saved the lives of its crew. The tank explosion is actually the detonation of smoke grenades located in grenade launchers on the sides of the turret. This can be evidenced both by the characteristic smoke trails and by the direction of flight of the detonated ammunition - forward and upward in the direction of the tank's movement - this trajectory was set by the smoke grenade launcher guides.

Photos of the T-90 taken after the battle show that the smoke grenade launchers on the tank's left cheek were destroyed by the explosion.

A more complete video of this battle, filmed by another drone, has appeared online. It is concluded that, in addition to the Bradley cannon shells, an FPV drone also hit the tank. The tank was immobilized and abandoned by the crew in an orderly manner; all three tankers were alive.

It should be added that 25 mm shells from the M242 Bushmaster cannon, which are armed with the American Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, in principle cannot penetrate a tank in the frontal or even lateral projection. However, if they hit successfully, they can damage the aiming devices or disable the weapon, as well as damage the chassis elements. It was the loss of mobility that caused the crew to abandon the tank. The abandoned car can probably be repaired.

The failure was that of the operational commander who sent a lone T-90 to carry out this mission. Despite this, the tank crew had several chances to put the Bradley out of action, but failed.

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It appears that the tank crew's attempts to aim and fire back were unsuccessful and the turret rotation mechanism also failed, which led to uncontrolled rotation.

plawolf said:

It’s never a good idea to draw broad conclusions from extreme case examples.

We also have examples of individual soldiers being able to dummy and dodge FPV drones or shoot them down mid-air, that doesn’t mean by any stretch of the imagination that infantry are now immune to FPVs.

IFVs winning a stand-up fight against a tank is very much an extremely unlikely outcome, which is why there is so much interest and hype focused on this engagement. But how many instances have there been where tanks just popped IFVs like targets?

But if we go back to the actual engagement itself, it’s perhaps telling that there isn’t a full length normal speed version of it released yet. Even from the sped up version, it’s looks very much like the T90 got hit by something else early in the engagement from the size of the explosion and smoke.

If this engagement is an illustration of anything, it’s more merited to say it illustrates just what a force multiplier drones have become in modern warfare.

Tye Bradley’s had superior situation awareness due to friendly observation drones, and very likely had FPV assistance in disabling the T90.

Had the T90 had drone spotter assistance itself, it very likely could have nailed both Bradley’s from a good distance without much drama.

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I think the youtuber already made a video, explaining something already hit the t-90 before bradly engagement. likely a loittering munition drone. seeing lancet can take out tanks, likely ukraine drone knock out some sensor, and the bradly knock out more sensors. this speak to the armor of t90, protected the tank crews, for 2 hits.

the du rounds likley didnt do much, other than damaging the remaining sensors.

lastly, the t90 was finished by another drone, after t90 hit the tree.

I have also seen some people claim that the gun of the tank was disabled because they fired at it with the 25mm autocannon of the Bradley. This has happened before, tanks getting disabled by them firing at the area around the base of the gun, but this should be harder to do in the T-90M than the T-72 variants because it has an insert around the gun. Unlike in most T-72 variants where the area around the gun is usually exposed.



But yeah an autocannon can destroy the tank gun, there are no two ways around that. The armor is supposed to ensure the protection of the crew not make the tank impervious to any and all attacks on it.

It still remains to be seen why the turret kept rotating and why the tank ended up running into the tree. If this was lack of visibility from damaged sensors, panic by the driver or whatever. But I wouldn't blame the hardware in this case.