The War in the Ukraine

Gloire_bb

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Lone Patriot seems to have neutralized the Russian air force in Kherson area

Where is the Russian air force and their HARMski missiles? Have they just given up on SEAD/DEAD over Ukraine?
Well, probably precisely to set up such an operation?
Blindly rushing more aircraft into a SAM trap isn't SEAD, it's suicide.

Also, as a rule of thumb, those raids include HARM cover(Su-35 typically). Something is now clearly wrong with it - but we don't know what.

Maybe L-150 RWR is inadequate against Patriot. Maybe (quite likely), 1 HARM, while enough to split the attention of older S-300PS, doesn't really affect Patriot engagement (it just engages that single missile in the process). Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Or maybe it's just a special case of lucky engagement for ukrainians - and there were many more attempts like this during the last half year - but we only get to know about successes.
 
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Tam

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This is probably the wrap up on Marinka where the Russians hunted with drones every last Ukrainian holdout.


Lancet compilation including takeout of Alacran, Krab and Su-25.

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Ukrainian armored boat Gurza-M taken out by Lancet.

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Ukrainian troop concentration on the right side of the Dniepr gets taken out Russian artillery.

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Another Ukrainian boat in the Dniepr attacked by drones and sank.

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Ukrainians showed a warehouse in media where they were mass manufacturing Magura V5 sea drones. Guess what, it got visited by Russian missiles.

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Russians advance up to 1.6km west of Marinka.

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Drones observe the capture and orderly processing of Ukrainian prisoners by the 247th Cossacks VDV Regiment in the Rabotino Verbove sector.

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From Ukrainian media. New Russian units with new tactical signs appear in the Zaporozhye front.

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Massive blows on targets in Ukrainian occupied Kherson. Can't determine the cause if they are air, missile or drone strikes. I suspect the usual brigade level headquarters, barracks, or fuel or ammo depot strikes.

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Tanks of the Tiger Battalion of the 255th Regiment roars through the outskirts of Marinka firing at Ukrainian positions.

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Pressure is on as the Russians counterattack the Rabotino Verbove salient.

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Russians advance in a wide front in the Artemovosk sector and enters Bogdanovka.

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Ukrainian BMPT-62 created from a Frankenstein of a T-62 chassis with a BMP-2 turret.

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Russian 2S1 Gvozdika with cope cages.

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Trophies captured from fighters of Group O include several Ukrainian drones.

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Trophies from Krynki captured by the 810rd Marine Brigade being reconverted to their own use. In this one, a PTM-3 mine with it's fuse reprogrammed.

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kwaigonegin

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Ukraine is holding the current stalemate due to its willingness and tolerance for enormous human casualties but has a limited supply.

While Russia's main advantage point is pretty much the serious overproduction (equipment) advantage it has over Ukraine (the West).

(It has close to the same production capacity as the entire West combined but the West can't send 100% to Ukraine to save for their own militaries, while Russia can).

And as we see, Russian industrial production is still rising through 2023 as well in all parameters, and will continue to rise,

But Ukrainian advantage (the amount of human sacrifices they can throw) will slowly decline in the future, that's how Russia will break the stalemate.

Once Ukraine loses the majority of its fighting force, including the extremely old, young, and disabled, males, it's currently sending, because of its limited supply.

You can say the West will try to send more mercenaries, but who will want to go there with such a high death rate? Not a lot of fighters, even with a lot of money promised.

This can last 5-10 more years, but Russia should win completely in the end, even though it already won pretty much.

They took 20% highest quality territory from Ukraine, without much economic losses, not the other way around. Stopped them from going into NATO, etc.

Whereas, Ukraine was thrown back into the stone age, demographically, economically, and infrastructurally, etc, not Russia and Putin.
It's much much easier and faster to make tanks than young fighting men.
How long does it take to make a tank? 3-6 hours? If production is ramped up in a full war economy?
Contrast that to 18 yrs to make a fighting human, and you can't really speed that up.
Sadly Ukraine is running out the latter.
 

SolarWarden

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Well, probably precisely to set up such an operation?
Blindly rushing more aircraft into a SAM trap isn't SEAD, it's suicide.

Also, as a rule of thumb, those raids include HARM cover(Su-35 typically). Something is now clearly wrong with it - but we don't know what.

Maybe L-150 RWR is inadequate against Patriot. Maybe (quite likely), 1 HARM, while enough to split the attention of older S-300PS, doesn't really affect Patriot engagement (it just engages that single missile in the process). Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Or maybe it's just a special case of lucky engagement for ukrainians - and there were many more attempts like this during the last half year - but we only get to know about successes.
I think Russian RWRs are fine especially in their latest 4th gen fighters. It could be Russian SEAD/DEAD is not as good as we thought/they claimed it was with their weapons depot shows showing off Russian EW pods and HARMski's. It could also be Ukraine Patriots using US/NATO AWACS for targeting. Ukraine is using the latest PAC-2/3 missile which can link with US AWACS giving Pac-2 OTH guidance.
 

phrozenflame

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It's much much easier and faster to make tanks than young fighting men.
How long does it take to make a tank? 3-6 hours? If production is ramped up in a full war economy?
Contrast that to 18 yrs to make a fighting human, and you can't really speed that up.
Sadly Ukraine is running out the latter.
dont think anyone's running JIT Toyota style tank manufacturing line anywhere in the world bro.
 

Overbom

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It's much much easier and faster to make tanks than young fighting men.
How long does it take to make a tank? 3-6 hours? If production is ramped up in a full war economy?
Contrast that to 18 yrs to make a fighting human, and you can't really speed that up.
Sadly Ukraine is running out the latter.
I see where you are going with this (btw it takes longer to make tanks...), and I don't entirely disagree with this but we should also remember that a tank needs trained (human) crew to operate.

Your example would be better if you used drones instead tanks
 

Zichan

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There has thus far been no proper confirmation of this.
RUSI has written extensively about this. The fact that VKS has been unable to strike deep in Ukraine without stand off weapons is undeniable evidence. According to M. Koffman, European air forces would not have fared better. Only the US and Israel have the means and the training&doctrine necessary to perform SEAD/DEAD against an air defense system this magnitude.
 

Biscuits

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RUSI has written extensively about this. The fact that VKS has been unable to strike deep in Ukraine without stand off weapons is undeniable evidence. According to M. Koffman, European air forces would not have fared better. Only the US and Israel have the means and the training&doctrine necessary to perform SEAD/DEAD against an air defense system this magnitude.
Israel would get blapped off the face of the earth if they had to fight the Ukrainian counteroffensive lol. They cant even decsiviely stop a counteroffensive of 10 000 rpg + sandal armed men. Just because they achieved military success against extremely weak opponents really doesn't mean anything.

US hasn't exactly proved they can fight in a war at this scale either, but at least US and China have the on paper industrial and doctrine requirements.
 

_killuminati_

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It's much much easier and faster to make tanks than young fighting men.
How long does it take to make a tank? 3-6 hours? If production is ramped up in a full war economy?
Contrast that to 18 yrs to make a fighting human, and you can't really speed that up.
Sadly Ukraine is running out the latter.
3-6 hours maybe to assemble preconstructed materials and wiring. All the sub components, electronics, launchers, countermeasures, munitions, radars, etc probably takes days. Only way it can be done in 3-6 hours is if these sub components are already built and taken off the shelves. Don't they say that it takes the Israelis more than half a day just to repair/replace the damaged armor plates and gears on the Merkava after an RPG strike?
 

Tam

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10 Ukrainian volunteers allowed to leave for Europe to obtain humanitarian aid, choose not to come back to Ukraine.

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Ukrainian TV personality and "patriot" choose not to return to Ukraine after covering European Council meeting.

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Ukrainian man fights off and runs away from forced mobilization.

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Beaten and abandoned T-64BV in the Avdiivka front.

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Two FAB strikes on a Ukrainian forest landing.

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M109 Paladin gets knocked out by Lancet in Tyaginka in Kherson.

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Swedish Leopard Strv-122A losing its battle against Ukrainian black mud.

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Russian BM-21 Grad gets more cope cages.

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Attack on Novomikhailovka: Hell on Earth. Non stop artillery fire.

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Another Ukrainian landing boat gets hit by a drone bomb as it begins it's journey. After which it sank.

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Battle of Avdiivka. Russians assault Pervomaysky and Stepove.

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Klen Battalion of the 247th Cossacks VDV Regiment spots Ukrainian infantry group moving along the trench lines and hits it from a D-20 howitzer.

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Artillery from the 123rd Brigade striking Ukrainian posting Berestove.

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Bradley cemetery. Ukrainians diligently recover every possible knocked out Bradley even if repair looks hopeless.

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FPV drone attacks from the Sudoplatov Battalion. Two Leopards attacked along with a boat.

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BMP-3 with more anti drone armor.

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Ukrainian DRG wiped out by ATGM at night.

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