So why not filling them with something else than HEAT rounds , most probably that they don't have better... HE or antipersonnal would be way better in Ukraine.
The War in the Ukraine
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Destroyed BMP-1 of the AFU in Avdiivka front.
Ukrainian assault towards Russian defense line gets hit by artillery.
Ukrainian tank hit with Lancet with thermal imager. Spotting UAV has a thermal imager too. This by the 336th Guards Brigade.
Number of Russian FPV drone footage published exceeds 2500.
"According to colleagues with LostArmour , On the morning of December 10, 2023, at least 2,508 episodes of FPV drones were published in the SVO zone, with almost 4/5 of the total (1931 episode) were published in the last four months. In November, a new monthly record — published 657 episodes.
Of the 2,508 targets, 373 were guaranteed to be destroyed, and 385 were guaranteed to be damaged. On 1092 videos successful hits are recorded, but it is not possible to assess the damage caused (in most cases it is a frame without objective control). The results of the other 336 episodes of FPV drones are not known. Unfortunately, in 184 cases there were failures.
Most often, the targets of FPV drones are: enemy positions (916 episodes), infantry outside the shelter (353 episodes), motor transport (345 episodes), various buildings (293 episodes) and light armored equipment (257 episodes).
Given the number of sources of publication, some of the staff could be lost and not taken into account in the final statistics. In addition, many even effective episodes do not enter the network. The actual combat account of FPV drones is much larger."
Ukrainian marine commando boat on a mission of resupply got attacked by drone and sunk.
AFU BMP-1 in Yuzno-Donetsk hit by Lancet from the obtf Kaskad.
Ukrainian squad at night hit by ATGM from the 58th SPN Battalion of the Donetsk Army Corps.
MSTA-B of the 1st Slavyansk Brigade doing it's work.
BMP-1AM Basurmanin honing it's firing skills with it's 30mm gun.
Ukrainian EW hub discovered with this UR-77 by scouts. An FPV drone strike dispatched the station.
Jet powered Gerans will fly three times faster.
Russians using drone miners.
Production of Pantsyr-S ahead of schedule.
Ukrainians covering trenches to counter both FPV drones and drone drops. In addition it cleverly conceals troop locations.
Ukrainian assault towards Russian defense line gets hit by artillery.
Ukrainian tank hit with Lancet with thermal imager. Spotting UAV has a thermal imager too. This by the 336th Guards Brigade.
Number of Russian FPV drone footage published exceeds 2500.
"According to colleagues with LostArmour , On the morning of December 10, 2023, at least 2,508 episodes of FPV drones were published in the SVO zone, with almost 4/5 of the total (1931 episode) were published in the last four months. In November, a new monthly record — published 657 episodes.
Of the 2,508 targets, 373 were guaranteed to be destroyed, and 385 were guaranteed to be damaged. On 1092 videos successful hits are recorded, but it is not possible to assess the damage caused (in most cases it is a frame without objective control). The results of the other 336 episodes of FPV drones are not known. Unfortunately, in 184 cases there were failures.
Most often, the targets of FPV drones are: enemy positions (916 episodes), infantry outside the shelter (353 episodes), motor transport (345 episodes), various buildings (293 episodes) and light armored equipment (257 episodes).
Given the number of sources of publication, some of the staff could be lost and not taken into account in the final statistics. In addition, many even effective episodes do not enter the network. The actual combat account of FPV drones is much larger."
Ukrainian marine commando boat on a mission of resupply got attacked by drone and sunk.
AFU BMP-1 in Yuzno-Donetsk hit by Lancet from the obtf Kaskad.
Ukrainian squad at night hit by ATGM from the 58th SPN Battalion of the Donetsk Army Corps.
MSTA-B of the 1st Slavyansk Brigade doing it's work.
BMP-1AM Basurmanin honing it's firing skills with it's 30mm gun.
Ukrainian EW hub discovered with this UR-77 by scouts. An FPV drone strike dispatched the station.
Jet powered Gerans will fly three times faster.
Russians using drone miners.
Production of Pantsyr-S ahead of schedule.
Ukrainians covering trenches to counter both FPV drones and drone drops. In addition it cleverly conceals troop locations.
Has any such encirclement been actively reversed out so far in this war? IIRC, it's always ended in closing of the salient or just retreat by the other side.
Maybe throwing in all brigades that will follow Zaluzhny... they cannot repeat the same thing than Bakhmut or maybe they can...
Which doesn't make them better. A jet engine is more expensive, and one reason why Gerans are hard to target is because their low speed means they often don't show up on radar screens as they are filtered together with the rest of the clutter.
The Russians also changed the shell to carbon fiber which also makes it more expensive.
Add a jet engine and make the whole thing out of composite and you might as well make a cruise missile. I would say the Russian MIC just don't get the design.
You could do both, mix it up. Lead the strike with difficult to intercept jet Shaheds that soak up air defences, follow up with a swarm of mopeds and finish up with the expensive ballistic and proper cruise missiles. But I must admit, the cost was also my first thought.
Shahed is a cheap, spammable cruise missile.
Scooter engine doesn't change anything here (Kh-101/102 originally was also supposed to be propeller-driven, for the matter).
Depends. If 8 out of 10 jet powered get through AD compared to 2 out of 10 prop powered get through AD, the economics may favor jet powered over prop powered. As an analogy, bullets and guns are definitely more expensive than sword, but now nobody use sword anymore. Sword is definitely more expensive than bone spear, but now nobody use bone spear anymore.
Even if they do that, it's not like Russians are asleep along the rest of the front. Russians are also gaining ground around Bakhmut at the same time:
The more resources are thinned out elsewhere into Avdeevka the more you expose places like Chasiv Yar.