The War in the Ukraine

SampanViking

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Ok, so just checking, but what are the rules about posting combat footage and aftermath footages these days?

Obviously no gore or NSFW or individually identifiable vids/images of the fallen, but what about battlefield dead viewed from afar where the ugly details cannot be seen and the fallen cannot be individually identified?

There is an interesting vid of a line of dead Ukrainian troops near a railway line where all the fallen are almost in a straight line which is most curious. Would be interested to get some second thoughts of what might have killed them like that.
I think something like that is of legitimate interest. Post it and lets take a look. If it proves too strong then we can remove it.
 

RedMetalSeadramon

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I agree. Once Putin decided to abandon Kiev encirclement, the dream of taking all of Ukraine is over. In fact, if I was Putin, I would have full-scaled mobilized and concentrated solely against the Kiev encirclement to get unconditional surrender. Just bypass the most difficult eastern front entirely. Once the center collapses, everything collapses.

But the east isn't the most difficult, the most difficult is the forested areas of the north and urban centers. In the south and the east where there's open terrain Russians continues to perform.
 

Atomicfrog

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Ok, so just checking, but what are the rules about posting combat footage and aftermath footages these days?

Obviously no gore or NSFW or individually identifiable vids/images of the fallen, but what about battlefield dead viewed from afar where the ugly details cannot be seen and the fallen cannot be individually identified?

There is an interesting vid of a line of dead Ukrainian troops near a railway line where all the fallen are almost in a straight line which is most curious. Would be interested to get some second thoughts of what might have killed them like that.
They could have been carried on the side not to be crushed or to be collected in an easier way later.... quite hard to put a time line. It's like the outcry on mass graves... Puting corpses in order at the same place is way better than letting them all over the place to be eaten by stray dogs...
 

FADH1791

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In terms of what Russia’s end goal is I think it’s simple. Establish Novorussiya. Creating a land bridge from Kharkov to Odessa. It just makes so much sense. The region has majority Russian speakers. Strategically it gives them control of the Black Sea kicking out NATO from the area. Secondly it makes West Ukraine a landlocked shit hole. The land is rich in agriculture which strips Ukraine of that. Also by controlling these agriculture rich areas it increases Russias share of the global food supply. And the way things are going they can dictate how much the price will be. Likely making countries pay rubles to get wheat. Egypt,Iran and Saudis Arabia already said they will pay in rubles for wheat.
So Novorussiya makes sense.
 

Weaasel

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Speaking of war goals, I am on the camp of Russia will grab big instead of small like "just west of river" and "just connect to crimea".

First lets define the minimums. Kherson, Zaporizha are already in process of integerating into russia. These two russia will not let go. Luhansk and Donetsk are no brainers basic initial war goal. What about the rests?

Hypothetically speaking Russia could be perfectly happy with these gains, and secure a neutralized Ukraine as client state. But will it really go that easy? No way Ukraine will just surrender even if it seems rational to cut the loss at that point. Therefore the war goes on.

As Ukrainian military disintegerate, westerrn stocks run low, the economy collapses, Russia will advance further, and have less of a reason to give back. They will advance faster and faster. Cities will fall one after another and Ukraine will stay on the fight. Russia will obtain Odessa, dnipro, kharkov, and even Kiev. And Ukrainian government will still be too stubborn.

At this point Russia can just call it a defacto win and attempt to roll over and police rest of ukraine. Or Ukrainian people finally had enough and coup the leadership. Either extreme scenario is more likely than a flat surrender.

This means either Russia grab all of Ukraine and spend time police it, or at least hold enough land to cause collapse of Ukrainian society. No matter what there can be no "call it a small win and go home".

The so called maximalist gain of grabbing most of ukraine west is really a very conservative estimate. It is far more likely to go above it.
There will certainly be an insurgency in Western and Northern Ukraine. It is a great resource and logistical challenge that will be necessary in occupying such a large swathe of very hostile territory.
 

Phead128

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As Wolfie says, once the Donbas force is defeated, what else of any consequence do the Ukrainians have left. Then you can see the rapid rolling up of what is left including a return to Kiev for whatever purpose.
It would be 100% correct thing to do from a strategic point of view to Eliminate (not just cripple and de-militarize) a rabidly anti-Russian regime once the Donbass and southern forces are defeated. As you and Wolfie said, whatever remaining weak force in Western Ukraine are unable to resist.

But...knowing Putin, he is probably be content with holding the east and South (
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) and that is a strategic mistake. He cannot allow a crippled regime to exist, that just kicks the can down the road. I don't have much confidence he will go all out to eliminate Kiev, he might just declare victory after East/South (
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) is conquered, which is unfortunate, since a NATO-backed crippled West Ukraine is still a thorn in future, no matter what a paper promise says otherwise. He should Go Big (or go home) is what I'm trying to say.
 
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plawolf

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Here's the video.

If I were to guess: troops riding on top of BMP getting picked off with gun and mortar fire and falling off.
That’s was one of the initial thoughts I had as well, however, to my eyes, where the bodies are lying looks to be a gully (most obvious when the drone pans around and starts to swing back) , with the road to the right with all the vehicle tracks.

If these were troops riding up top on armour that got killed by shrapnel/bullets, I would expect the bodies to be on the dirt road rather than all neatly in the ditch.

Looking at the blast damage on the ground, it looks like we have different sized munitions with big blast marks likely from artillery/rockets, but also a lot of small ones about the size of basketballs.

Based on that, I wonder if maybe this was a column of troops on foot moving in the gully to minimise their exposure who got caught cold by a Russian attack helicopter that strafed its 30mm right down the line?
 
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