Thropy is standard only in the A7 tho. Which Ukraine didnt get and might not get for some time as it's being produced atm. Can only expect from the other conflict.
The War in the Ukraine
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Thropy is standard only in the A7 tho. Which Ukraine didnt get and might not get for some time as it's being produced atm. Can only expect from the other conflict.
plawolf
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I think the fact the Russians haven’t managed to haul one off to Patriotic park yet is an indication of how much resources the Ukrainians must have devoted to make sure that didn’t happen. The parking lots of dead NATO armour around many of the dead Leo’s might suggest the Ukrainians lost not insignificant forces trying to recover dead Leo’s themselves.
Most of the losses are sitting in grey zones neither side controls, so I guess the Russians have decided salvaging some dead Leo’s isn’t worth the risks and likely costs required, especially not during mud season and while the Ukrainians are still throwing forces into their offensive. Maybe after the Ukrainians stop wasting men and machines, and the ground freezes they will have a proper try.
The difference between people here being wrong and western expert is we do not claim to be expert. Our mistake is to be expected. If we are somehow more predictive than the experts, then the experts can be fired and SDF can be funded as the preeminent think tank instead. And I, will be demanding to be paid the same as the think tankers.
That said, the capture of the heap will oversee the rail for supplying adivika, cutting its logistic. It will also open more directions for attack making defenders spread out more. That said, there are still roads leading to Adivika, so this only limit the rate of supply transfer. This is a good progress in weakening Adiviika, but it is not actually too weakened. Hey I might be wrong, but I am not paid!
But they are, whether you want to accept it or not, and this is not arrogance at all, it is no wonder that the PLA seeks to mirror itself. China created its own Institute to download military manuals from around the world, most Western armies post about this and I'm sure the Chinese absorbed this knowledge. China is completely correct, they are the standard of excellence in military art, just absorb this knowledge and apply it to your own case scenarios, fortunately, you cannot have the same type of arrogant behavior as the Russians who suffered several defeats ignoring precepts military personnel already fully applied and taught in modern military art.
Your attempt to ridicule me is futile. You don't have the slightest knowledge to talk about airmobile operations. Does not know about landing site, helicopter landing zone, embarkation and/or disembarkation zone, restricted area, helicopter landing area, flight routes, flight itineraries, communications reference point, clearance points, meeting, approach line, engagement line, control line, among several other measures and control and coordination.
Do the same as PLA, download the manuals and learn.
In fact, Vuhledar would also be another example of airmobile employment that a Western army would employ, but I think Rustam Muradov's tactic was more efficient.
How many drones on a squad level does United States have in service and what's the inventory like?
Yeah, I think that answers the question of how "at the forefront" US tactics are.
No.
I'll let the topography speak for itself.
But even if there was high ground, would you like me to confer with an actual military officer about air assault? I can guess what their thoughts are on your proposition.
In the conception of the Russian strategy, I would say that this was their planning.
The Hostomel airport operation has several similarities with the Soviet operation in Afghanistan that was led by Sergey Sokolov, the operation was considered an example in the use of joint mobile forces. In the case of Afghanistan, Bagram airport was taken over by Soviet paratroopers who disembarked several military reinforcements by air, which in a few hours assaulted the presidential palace and assassinated the president of Afghanistan, putting an end to the resistance.
In and around Kiev, there were 3 main airports for Russian paratroopers to take.
1 - Igor Sikorsky Kyiv International Airport(Zhuliany), Vulytsya Medova, Kiev, Ukraine: With a runway of 2,300 meters, it offered clear limitations for the operation of large cargo aircraft carrying heavy armored vehicles, in addition to its location being well within the zone of Kiev, subject to heavy defensive formations that could resist the landing of Russian paratroopers and also subject to strong counterattacks as soon as they took the airport, therefore, it was discarded.
2 - Boryspil International Airport: On the eastern bank of the Dnieper River, this airport is located, which is the largest transport HUB in Ukraine with a huge 4,000 meter runway, quite suitable for the strategic aviation operation of the VKS. It is an airport a little further away from Kiev, located 29 km southeast of Kiev, far enough away to allow a quick takeover of the complex, in addition, with the explosion of the river bridges, it could put the entire operation into question.
3 - Hostomel Airport: Located 10 km northwest of Kiev, having a long runway of 3,500 meters, used by the company Antonov Airlines for the operation of its heavy freighters An-124 and An-225, its capture in the first hours of the invasion would open path for the landing of a powerful armored column that would take Kiev before any resistance could be organized.
On February 24, 2022, after receiving information that Kiev's air defenses had been destroyed by cruise missiles, the Ka-52 pilots maintained the course and arrived at Hostomel Airport, beginning the attack on the anti-aircraft heavy machine gun positions. at the location that had been described by an informant working at Hostomel Airport, so within a few minutes, all positions at the airport had been neutralized, opening the way for the paratrooper landing force made up of 34 transport and attack helicopters, employing Mi-8/17 and Ka-52 disembarked 300 paratroopers from the 11th Guards Air Assault Brigade who would take control of the site and allow the landing of a formation of 18 Il-76s loaded with military and armored vehicles that would take off from Pskov Airport.
It is worth highlighting a few things here, Valerii Zaluzhnyi had already received information about Russian battle plans from the head of the CIA, William Burns, a month before the start of the invasion he visited Ukraine, in this plan that the CIA handed over to Zaluzhnyi, there was the possibility of the capture of Hostomel Airport, therefore, Zaluzhnyi reinforced the region with a quick response force, in addition to dispersing all anti-aircraft means, in case Hostomel Airport was attacked. The suspicion of these plans were confirmed one day before the invasion, on February 23, 2022, Ukrainian banker Denys Kireyev obtained from Russian sources that the capture of Hostomel Airport would be a central piece of the Russian invasion strategy in Ukraine, minutes after the invasion, the Ukrainian high command was already alert awaiting the attack force.
The rest is history. The Battle of Kiev is still the most important strategic battle Ukraine has won.
Looks like the Russians have basically shut down the Ukrainian airspace to all heavy military aircraft.
MOSCOW, October 25. /TASS/. Russia employed the latest S-400 air defense system in conjunction with an A-50 flying radar in the special military operation in Ukraine, a source close to the Defense Ministry told TASS on Wednesday, commenting on the defense minister’s words that over 20 Ukrainian warplanes were downed by new weapons lately.
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said earlier on Wednesday that Russian forces had received surface-to-air missile systems that shot down 24 Ukrainian combat aircraft over the past five days.
"In the course of its special military operation, Russia used the S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile system in tandem with an A-50 long-range radar surveillance plane, which ensured the success of employing the system against enemy aircraft," the source said.
TASS has no official confirmation of this information yet.
The S-400 air defense system delivered fire to the maximum range against the targets flying at an altitude of about 1,000 meters at the time of their destruction and employed new missile warheads, the source specified.
Over 20 Ukrainian warplanes downed by S-400 system jointly with A-50 radar in past days
The S-400 air defense system reportedly delivered fire to the maximum range against the targets flying at an altitude of about 1,000 meters at the time of their destructionMOSCOW, October 25. /TASS/. Russia employed the latest S-400 air defense system in conjunction with an A-50 flying radar in the special military operation in Ukraine, a source close to the Defense Ministry told TASS on Wednesday, commenting on the defense minister’s words that over 20 Ukrainian warplanes were downed by new weapons lately.
Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said earlier on Wednesday that Russian forces had received surface-to-air missile systems that shot down 24 Ukrainian combat aircraft over the past five days.
"In the course of its special military operation, Russia used the S-400 Triumf surface-to-air missile system in tandem with an A-50 long-range radar surveillance plane, which ensured the success of employing the system against enemy aircraft," the source said.
TASS has no official confirmation of this information yet.
The S-400 air defense system delivered fire to the maximum range against the targets flying at an altitude of about 1,000 meters at the time of their destruction and employed new missile warheads, the source specified.
S-400 surface-to-air missile system
Russia’s S-400 Triumf (NATO reporting name: SA-21 Growler) is the latest long-and medium-range surface-to-air missile system that went into service in 2007. It is designed to destroy strategic and tactical aircraft, including those based on stealth technology, cruise and ballistic missiles and hypersonic weapons and can also be used against ground installations. The S-400 can engage targets at a distance of up to 400 km and at an altitude of up to 30 km under intensive enemy fire and jamming.
Ammo depot explodes in Slavuta. Ukranians claim that they shot down the drones that were trying to target it but the "debris" caused some damage
Strange altitude; taking-off or landing?
This capacity, deployed from south-western Belarus, could be be problematic for the ‘coalition‘!
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If Ukrainian aircraft fly too high, then they are picked up by ground based radar. So the Ukrainians typically operate at low altitude. When they operate at high altitude they do it quite far from the frontline.
An air based radar platform is able to detect low flying aircraft which would be otherwise obscured i.e. below the horizon for ground based radar.
If these reports are true then the Russians used the integration between the A-50U and ground based S-400 units. So the S-400 battery would have automatically used targeting data from the A-50U to strike the low flying aircraft.
Some people are claiming this was also done with the new long range missiles. It could be they either weren't using them before, or had to modify their software to get this to work. IIRC the long range missiles were originally developed to strike high altitude targets like ballistic missiles not low altitude ones. It could also be they had to make modifications to the protocols for communication between the A-50U and the S-400s to shorten the response time.
An air based radar platform is able to detect low flying aircraft which would be otherwise obscured i.e. below the horizon for ground based radar.
If these reports are true then the Russians used the integration between the A-50U and ground based S-400 units. So the S-400 battery would have automatically used targeting data from the A-50U to strike the low flying aircraft.
Some people are claiming this was also done with the new long range missiles. It could be they either weren't using them before, or had to modify their software to get this to work. IIRC the long range missiles were originally developed to strike high altitude targets like ballistic missiles not low altitude ones. It could also be they had to make modifications to the protocols for communication between the A-50U and the S-400s to shorten the response time.
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