It is pain to conduct. But during soviet times, the whole thing was build with such capability in mind. Doubt that there is some difference with Kilo. I do know that there is submarine/museum Б-396 "Новосибирский комсомолец" that was towed from Severodvinsk -> White Sea - >White Sea-Baltic Canal -> Lake Onega -> Volga-Baltic Canal -> Rybinsk Reservoir -> Moscow Canal -> Khimki Reservoir. And now sit in the center of Moscow and I suppose it is easier to the south because river are wider. And moving fleet from the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea using Volga-Don channel are regular exercise.
The War in the Ukraine
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The major damage was to the ships in the dry dock. A transport ship and submarine were damaged.
It wasn't the first time the Ukrainians hit that kind of transport vessel, at least one was hit at Bryansk with a Ukranian Tochka when the conflict started, these transport ships are quite old and Russia hasn't been conducting any amphibious landings. So impact from loss of this ship to the conflict will be likely minimal. The submarine is much more of a big deal since it isn't even a decade old and is one of the newest Kilos the Russians have. But Russia can replace the Kilo loss quite easily. For reference Russia commissioned one Kilo (Ufa) and put another in sea trials (Mozhaysk) since the conflict started in 2022. i.e. they can build them at a rate faster than this loss rate.
Like I said before, these were all material losses, these were ships at dock, so no crew was lost. This reduces the impact of the loss quite significantly. It is a significant financial loss but won't change the course of the war.
This is way less significant than Russia losing the Moscow missile destroyer. In that case they lost significant crew, and it led the Russian navy to change to a more defensive stance in general. Without the Moscow they couldn't guarantee a missile defense umbrella over that section of the Ukrainian coastline.
As for the claimed lack of Kalibr launch capability with the loss of the submarine, like others said, Russia isn't even close to using the launch platforms at full capacity, and they put a Karakurt class corvette (Tsiklon) into service just a couple months ago which has more Kalibr launch capability than this submarine had. If anything Russian Kalibr launch capability is increasing.
On the submarine this is a double hull. You would assume the outer thin hull to be damaged but the pressurized inner hull to remain intact. The tensile strength of the steel used on the inner pressurized hull to be extremely high to handle deep ocean depths and this would be very difficult to destroy. You would have to rebuild the outer hull and it's ballast tanks. As for the outer hull, I would expect the damage to be around the upper part and at the sail but not the lower part. The submarine is considered out of action and the damage is serious but the sub is not destroyed, meaning it will always be recoverable sometime in the future. However I don't think it's of any priority to the Russians and I would consider the sub out of action for the entire duration of the war. To rebuild, you would have to build the outer hull sections and ballast tanks someplace elsewhere, and cut out, remove the existing outer hull sections from the inner hull. You have to manually weld the new outer hull sections to the pressurized inner hull which is laborious and difficult to weld.
As for the Kaliber missiles, people tend to forget there are a couple of Gepard class corvettes at the Caspian Sea.
On to other things,
This is what happens to an expired S-300 missile, here a Ukrainian one fired in response to an incoming cruise missile. Expiration is a real and serious factor to a missile's usefulness.
Piece of a downed Ukrainian drone that tried to attack an oil facility in Fedovia.
FAB-500M62 with UMPK lands on an AFU military facility in Berislav. Could be barracks, depot, or HQ or any or all of them.
LMUR strike from a drone, hitting a Ukrainian shelter. LMUR strikes can be confused as Krasnopol or an air strike.
Counter battery operations by the Osman unit in Orekhiv sector.
AFU mortar nest knocked out in Novomikhailovka in Ugledar sector.
Civilian volunteers from Vladivostok conducts training for Russian Armed Forces on how to use an FPV drone. Shows how serious and extensive FPV drone usage has become.
Lancet from the 155th Marine Brigade pops a Ukrainian radio repeater.
Lun-7 FPV drone takes out a Ukrainian observation post somewhere in the Artemovosk front.
Captured Ukrainian soldiers being transported, footage caught by a motorist, somewhere in the Kherson sector.
Ukrainian soldiers passing by a destroyed T-72M1 tank belonging to their own side somewhere towards Rabotino.
M109 gets knocked out by a Lancet.
Failed attempts by Ukrainian FPV drones to take down a Mi-24 helicopter. This is a growing threat however.
Ukrainian howitzer gets knocked out by counter battery fire in Kremennaya sector.
Ukraine is non stop banging their head against Russian defensive lines to no avail. This is depleting their artillery shells and the shells of their backers. They politically are obligated to get something done. Russia mean whilst is shooting fewer shells and generating large forces such as artillery, infantry and tanks for the eventual counter offensive to this counter offensive. Having the Ukrainians exhaust themselves against Russian forts whilst simultaneously building up relationships with places like North Korea that have deep stocks of arty shells and desperately need resources that Russia has in abundance is making it clear that a Russian counter offensive with a rejuvenated force is in waiting against an exhausted Ukrainian force.
Kilo sub severely damaged by Ukrainian strike:
I don't think they'll be able to economically repair that.
I don't think they'll be able to economically repair that.
Broccoli
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First known use of Vulcano shell in Ukraine. Up to 70-80km range.
Damaged/destroyed Ka-52.
BUK's destroyed.
Damaged/destroyed Ka-52.
BUK's destroyed.
Operators of the Zoo-1M radar spoke about their work in Ukraine. The crew of the Russian self-propelled radar station 1L261 spoke about their combat work in Ukraine. The Zoo-1M complex calculates artillery according to the trajectory of the projectile, within 30 seconds the flight path is processed, and the station issues the coordinates from where the shooting took place. The Zoo-1M complex was put into service in the 2000s
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If everything inside is not burned, the damaged compartments can be cut out. The submarine is being built in a modular manner