The War in the Ukraine

Russians scored big obliterating another Ukrainian ammo train this time in the Donetsk. The train was also carrying military passengers. The train was spotted by drones and the strike conducted by guided missiles which suggests to me that Tornado S was used, which I also suspect was done in a previous train. Apparently there has been three trains struck this being the third.



Ka-52 on the hunting and knocking out vehicles.


ATGMs from the obtf Kaskad hitting AFU vehicles in South Donetsk.


Artillery from the Russian Vikings special forces unit hitting Ukrainian advancing forces in this forest line near Klesheevka.

Russia has artillery dominance only in numbers, but ukraine has more of newer and more mobile western artillery systems, particularly wheeled ones. These due to longer barrels and better ammunition enjoy higher range and accuracy too. Its not the same situation as was year ago, ukraine at least in zaporozhiye enjoy parity in terms of artillery effectiveness, despite russians still having edge on ordnance delivered per area, what is it good for if its less accurate and you need more rounds per barrage to fulfil the same effect?

JonnyJalapeno said:

Russia has artillery dominance only in numbers, but ukraine has more of newer and more mobile western artillery systems, particularly wheeled ones. These due to longer barrels and better ammunition enjoy higher range and accuracy too. Its not the same situation as was year ago, ukraine at least in zaporozhiye enjoy parity in terms of artillery effectiveness, despite russians still having edge on ordnance delivered per area, what is it good for if its less accurate and you need more rounds per barrage to fulfil the same effect?

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Well, if you have the extra ammo capacity....

tygyg1111 said:

Well, if you have the extra ammo capacity....

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Compare this: russia uses 2 mil ammo per year, a soviet towed artillery needs 6 rounds in barrage to hit the target
Ukraine uses 1 mil, nexter caesar needs 3 rounds in barrage to hit the target
The outcome is the same, despite russia having advantage on paper.

JonnyJalapeno said:

Compare this: russia uses 2 mil ammo per year, a soviet towed artillery needs 6 rounds in barrage to hit the target
Ukraine uses 1 mil, nexter caesar needs 3 rounds in barrage to hit the target
The outcome is the same, despite russia having advantage on paper.

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That is not true Check the amount of destruction and casualty that the Russians inflicted on Ukraine practically Russians wrecked the whole country

Depends entirely on what the target is. Against armoured assaults, PGMs are obvious superior, and that more precise artillery has been a major Ukrainian strength in breaking down Russian assaults before.

But against dug in infantry in trenches or enemy troops advance through forest belts, a guided artillery round has limited to no advantage compared to unguided shells. Even against enemy massed armoured and combined arms pushes with dismounted infantry, being able to call down enough artillery to delete whole grid references quickly has obvious advantages. There are good reasons why America is willing to take the political hits to supply Ukraine with cluster munitions.

This is another reason why going on the offensive is such a strategic blunder for Ukraine. Rather than being used to its strength taking out high value targets in attacking Russian armoured columns, Ukrainian artillery now needs to soften up trenches. So their superior accuracy counts for little, and the need for sustained fire missions to support friendly assaults also keeps them tied down for far longer than they would like, robbing them of their mobility advantage and making it exponentially more likely that they get found and killed by Russian counter battery and/or lancets. This is supported by the steady stream of artillery kill footage the Russians are posting.

Sudoplatov Battalion sends an FPV drone to a hidden Ukrainian field ammo depot in an abandoned house. This ended in a big bang.


Russians now using cluster munitions on Ukrainian positions in Urozhayne then tops that off with a massed incendiary attack.


A building used by Ukrainian troops as a shelter and hideout gets greeted with a FAB-500 bomb.


Drones tracked this Ukrainian troop company and vehicle headed to their shelter, which is then hit by Russian artillery in one shot.


Ukrainian BTR-82, probably previously captured from the Russians, gets hit by a Lancet.

Compilation of yesterday's fighting on all fronts. Seem Russian is using both phosphorus and cluster munition at the same time. returning Western favor of supplying Uki with cluster bomb. Fighting is still reported in Rabotino front. Witness the Russian precision artillery attack on Uki APC at min 6:02 . Today the battlefield is very transparent with Drone view in real-time They can adjust the artillery firing Plus using Krasnopol M Russians can snipe any tank APC or depot with ease. I don't see West has a monopoly on artillery firing accuracy anymore

Hendrik_2000 said:

both phosphorus

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It is likely it is thermite.

Phosphorus causes a thicker smoke plume and a more contained, bright fire as opposed to the spark-esque one from thermite and less floaty

JonnyJalapeno said:

Russia has artillery dominance only in numbers, but ukraine has more of newer and more mobile western artillery systems, particularly wheeled ones. These due to longer barrels and better ammunition enjoy higher range and accuracy too. Its not the same situation as was year ago, ukraine at least in zaporozhiye enjoy parity in terms of artillery effectiveness, despite russians still having edge on ordnance delivered per area, what is it good for if its less accurate and you need more rounds per barrage to fulfil the same effect?

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It serves to destroy everything and everyone through indiscriminately destructive fires. The effectiveness of western artillery is derived from neutralization and suppression efforts to support western maneuver warfare. They are different doctrines, each with their respective strengths and weaknesses.

Particularly in this war in Ukraine, we have already seen both sides of these doctrines find adaptations, the russian case is very emblematic, mainly because its doctrine was unable to support the offensive effort, but now it is in a very effective approach when it is on the side defensive, although on the axis of Zaporizhzhya, russian counter-battery fire is being carried out more with Lancet than with indirect artillery fire, the ukrainians have not yet found solutions to mitigate this russian advantage, even worse, to the joy of the russians, the Ukrainians they placed only a SINGLE separate artillery brigade supporting the MAIN effort, with the remaining separate artillery brigades supporting sectors other than the main effort.