The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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Krasnopol strikes on Ukrainian vehicles and deployment points. Drone following trucks to these depots and centers.

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M113 hit by ATGM in Zaporozhye.

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Destroyed Leopard 2A6 and Bradley in the Orekhiv sector.

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Artemovsk sector. Ukrainian ammo depot hit by artillery.

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Krasnopol hits a tank. Artemovsk area.

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Krab hit by artillery, also Artemovsk area.

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Drones from the Black Hussars tracked Leleka-100 to it's control point, where it was hit by Russian artillery.

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Looks like a drone strike using laser guided missiles at a Ukrainian deployment point in the Dnipro.

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Vehicles and troops from the 5th Brigade assaulted and took over Ukrainian positions in the Artemovsk area.

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tankphobia

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That's also basically make ships approaching sensitive location a fair game. But i guess that's what Ukraine wants Russia to do.

The question would be, if Ukrainian ended up hitting a real civilian vessel in the area, will they be subjected to any form of responsibilities ?
Probably not, since Russia has also hit Ukranian grain shipping infrastructure recently basically all civilian shipping is fair game at this point. You can also spin it anyway you like, i.e raw materials used for war/ money for lowering war making potential.

Hitting shipping is also fairly low in terms of civilian casualties compared to hitting land based infrastructure.
 

vincent

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Ukranian USV strike on Russian tanker, I'm not sure Russia can really do much about it if Ukraine chooses to go down this route, black sea fleet is stretched as is to divert additional resources on policing against USVs.

Civilian ships will also not have the sensors other than mk1 eyeball to detect incoming attacks.
Jam the communications and destroy the relays.
 

Abominable

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Probably not, since Russia has also hit Ukranian grain shipping infrastructure recently basically all civilian shipping is fair game at this point. You can also spin it anyway you like, i.e raw materials used for war/ money for lowering war making potential.

Hitting shipping is also fairly low in terms of civilian casualties compared to hitting land based infrastructure.
Hitting enemy critical infrastructure is perfectly legal in war. Americans do it Russians do it, so does anyone

Deliberately targeting civilian ships in international waters is clearly a war crime and is something I have no idea why anyone in good faith would justify. Are you advocating for shooting down civilian airliners too?
 

Soldier30

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Footage of a Ukrainian mechanized group attacking Russian positions on the southern flank of Artyomovsk near Kleshcheevka. The Ukrainian unit used three armored personnel carriers BTR-4 Bucephalus in combat. As a result of the ensuing battle, two BTR-4s were destroyed, after which the Ukrainian unit retreated and evacuated the wounded on the third BTR-4. The video has been shortened.



 

Tam

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Two Ukrainian BMPs burning in Zaporozhye courtesy of the VDV. Note that Russians use BMP to refer to anything tracked APCs or IFVs so it doesn't necessarily mean it's a BMP-1 or BMP-2. For this it can mean a Bradley or M113. The same goes with the generic usage or BTR for wheeled APCs which can mean a Mastiff or a MaxxPro instead of a BTR-80.

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Trophy guns captured by the VDV.

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From the 394th Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 127th Division. This unit might be new to the area so the Russians are reinforcing. A YPR-765 on the rush gets hit by an ATGM followed by a Ukrainian tank under heavy artillery fire.

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Donetsk hit with Ukrainian cluster munitions. This being a university building.

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Russian missile strikes all over Zaporozhye.

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Explosions in the Tula and Kaluga regions as Russians launch Kinzhal missiles.

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Airfield where Storm Shadow equipped Su-24s are based from is spotted burning.

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Ukrainians counterattack along forest lines in Krasno-Limansky but falls under fire.

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Russian drone scouts Ukrainian positions, sees many destroyed vehicles.


Ukrainian BMP hit by Kornet.


Black Hussars target a Ukrainian position and a hidden vehicle with an ATGM.

 
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tankphobia

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Hitting enemy critical infrastructure is perfectly legal in war. Americans do it Russians do it, so does anyone

Deliberately targeting civilian ships in international waters is clearly a war crime and is something I have no idea why anyone in good faith would justify. Are you advocating for shooting down civilian airliners too?
In this instance, they are targeting a Russian tanker. This is no different to hitting a gas pipeline or transformer. Would you call blowing up a train line a warcrime? Leaping straight to airliner seems like a argument in bad faith and I'd remind you the only side that actually shot down a airliner wasn't the Ukranian side.

Conversely Russia has also pulled out of the grain deal and basically accused any Ukranian ships of possibly transporting weapons, a thinly veiled threat against civilian shipping. Only that Russia has much more to lose compare to Ukraine if they choose to go down this route since Ukrainian economy is held up by western aid, not grain exports.
 

Tootensky

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Aren't prize rules a thing anymore? Originally even u-boots had to attack on the surface, and make sure that even though they're sinking a ship, the ship's crews were able to evacuate. Forgoing that means that basically the Ukrainians are starting the war against Russian shipping from total warfare. The Ukrainians literally begin where the Third Reich finished.

You know how the US gets mad every time the Iranians do something in the Hormuz Strait? Good job. Following this logic, the Iranians can pretty much start sinking tankers whenever they please now, pointing to the Ukrainians as a precedent.
 

james smith esq

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Aren't prize rules a thing anymore? Originally even u-boots had to attack on the surface, and make sure that even though they're sinking a ship, the ship's crews were able to evacuate. Forgoing that means that basically the Ukrainians are starting the war against Russian shipping from total warfare. The Ukrainians literally begin where the Third Reich finished.

You know how the US gets mad every time the Iranians do something in the Hormuz Strait? Good job. Following this logic, the Iranians can pretty much start sinking tankers whenever they please now, pointing to the Ukrainians as a precedent.
The expectation that ‘rules’ will be followed in war is naive!
 

Overbom

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Aren't prize rules a thing anymore? Originally even u-boots had to attack on the surface, and make sure that even though they're sinking a ship, the ship's crews were able to evacuate. Forgoing that means that basically the Ukrainians are starting the war against Russian shipping from total warfare.
There are no rules in war, especially in a total war.
If Russia wanted rules, it shouldn't have started a war in the first place.
 
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