The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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"As a result of the effective joint work of air reconnaissance units and artillery of the Southern Group of Forces, the location of the 5th self-propelled artillery battery and reserves of the 28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Artyomovsk direction was discovered and covered with fire from multiple launch rocket systems.

During the artillery raid, 2 MTLB units, 4 trucks, 3 pickup trucks, up to 25 personnel and a warehouse with ammunition were destroyed."


Three observed vehicles destroyed by Ka-52s.

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Archival footage not released before of an M777 destroyed by Lancet.

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Lancets are more abundant now, allowing for more liberal usage. Here a Lancet hits a Ukrainian APC.

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it appears Ukraine has retook this area, but take this with a grain of salt, some people are saying its an old video and others are saying Russia still has control over it. if this is true then its the 2nd or 3rd time it has changed hands.


Just ignore the suspicious video for a minute.

Tweet states "Russians lost at least 9 armoured vehicles including 2 tanks during the successful assault and resupplying of the mine stronghold north of Maryinka."

Meaning the Russian assault and resupply was successful despite the lost armour.
 

Zhejiang

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Just ignore the suspicious video for a minute.

Tweet states "Russians lost at least 9 armoured vehicles including 2 tanks during the successful assault and resupplying of the mine stronghold north of Maryinka."

Meaning the Russian assault and resupply was successful despite the lost armour.
some sources say Ukraine has it, and the video title was werid, i think i made a mistake, my bad
 

Tam

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Krasnopol strike on infrared from UAV POV. From the Russian 88th Brigade bombarding Ukrainian hideouts near Artemovsk.


FAB dropped on Ukrainian positions.


A MSTA-S won it's artillery duel against Polish supplied Krab.


Ukrainian offensive at Ugledar went bad. Assault was towards the positions of the 36th Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade. A tank and two APCs were destroyed by Russian ATGMs, several other vehicles stepped on Russian mines.


Russians hit back with cluster munitions at this Ukrainian positions. At least two MT-LBs, four trucks, three pickups, 25 soldiers and some ammo depots were destroyed in the process.


Ka-52 kills tank. Second tank arrives to extract first tank, gets killed too.

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The 'Orthodox' Ka-52 scores a kill on a Ukrainian tank or BMP.

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Su-34 launches UMPC glide bombs.

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Destroyed Ukrainian RM-70 MLRS. This is a Grad variation by Czechoslovakia if you didn't know.

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The 40th Marine Brigade of the Russian Far East Fleet gets commendation, now Guards and twice the Red Banner.

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Ukrainian 122mm D-30 gets destroyed at Zvanovka.

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Obtf Kaskad and the 40th Marine Brigade works together to bring this KUB drone into this EW center point, destroying it and everyone in it.

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Ukrainian assault on Prechistovka against the Russian 36th Army Group went bad as the attacking force ran into a minefield and hit with artillery. Two tanks and a BMP were seen destroyed.

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HighGround

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A sober analysis of UAF's offensive. This war appears to be heading for stalemate.

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Good article. It really does show the Western POV of this war, a lot of which I disagree with. Some of these observations are honestly downright chauvinistic.

> All while having to cope with a still deeply entrenched bureaucracy, infighting and a continued reliance on “Soviet-style thinking.” Then there are the Russians, who are “putting up stiff resistance.”

There is a reason for why Soviet doctrine is the way it is. Soviets weren't stupid or outdated. They were in fact, forward looking and many of the concepts they pioneered in the late 80s are being used successfully by Russia today.

The issue IMO isn't, as many Western pundits like to say, the legacy of Soviet style training. I know that this is what many pundits say (Konrad-Muzyka, Michael Kofman, Rob Lee, etc) because that's what they hear from the front. That's what many Ukrainian NCOs complain about, as well as the "next-generation" of Ukrainian leaders. It's a very popular thing to lambast "Soviet-Style" thinking. Even if it's not necessarily the truth.

In fact, if you ask me, Soviet style training is what Ukraine should be using en masse. Ukraine has very limited resources in terms of time and equipment. What they do have is manpower. Lots of it. In order to adequately man the front, and conduct mass maneuver, you need to organize these men into large formation, train them quickly, and have effective C2.

Ukraine doesn't have 2 years to train 300,000 men in NATO style training. They constantly need reinforcements to man trenches, reconstitute damaged units, and apply pressure on Russian lines.

This sort of approach is probably not very popular with the professional part of the Ukrainian army, which is experienced, prides itself on efficiency, tactical prowess, and high level of readiness. To them, the idea of "Soviet style human-wave insert-meme-here" approach is likely downright offensive. But they likely cannot understand the bigger picture. Low-level commanders and officers, likely want to extrapolate company and battalion level success on a larger scale. But that's likely, very hard to do during wartime, probably impossible.

This clash of personalities is likely paralyzing Ukraine's combat effectiveness. The "NATO" part of the Ukrainian army needs to stop complaining, and try to work better with their "Soviet" part, which is likely in charge.

By and large this is an infantryman’s fight (squad, platoon and company level) supported by artillery along most of the frontline. This has several implications.

I really, really disagree with this. This is not an infantryman's fight. Quite the contrary, this is a fight where combined arms and artillery are raining supreme.

Infantry does have to take ground, but the measurement of success in "inches" represents a strategic misunderstanding and failure on the part of Western think tanks.

Infantry has to seize ground yes, but you should not be advancing little bits at the time. In the absence of airpower (something that ails both sides, Russia does not have free reign of the skies either), artillery and enablers like mine-clearers reign supreme. What this "counter-offensive" demonstrates, is the refusal of Ukraine to commit serious firepower to this offensive. In order for infantry and armor to properly advance, defenders have to be suppressed, logistics have to be disrupted, the skies have to become sufficiently dangerous.

This means you need lots of ISR, artillery, long-range fires, and attritable SHORAD. Properly prepared, this offensive should have the capability to penetrate deeply into Russian lines. At which point Russians would either have to take risks by contesting this firepower with their own, and trying to outlast Ukraine's initial offensive, or simply retreat even further behind more secured lines.

The lackluster nature of Ukraine's counter-offensive is simply a reflection of their lackluster preparation. There were early hints of a long-range strike campaign by the Ukrainians. But it seems that Ukraine simply does not have the necessary munitions to prosecute such a campaign.

This is why missiles like ATACMS are necessary. It's not about wonder weapons. It's about giving Ukraine a large enough variety, and quantity of strike options, in the absence of airpower. Without these tools, it is unlikely that Ukraine can make any serious headway into well-defended Russian lines.
 

Biscuits

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In the first place what is this supposed NATO doctrine?

Above we heard anecdotes that Ukrainians were advised by NATO to counter minefields by driving around them. While that is just 1 anecdote from an Ukrainian crew being trained in NATO doctrine, it's hard not to ask the question: what is NATO style thinking?

What do commanders of NATO advocate doing when faced with well defended ground and formidable adversaries?

NATO didn't seem to have an answer aside from pushing forward with heavy armor and "going around" minefields whenever they encounter such.

Maybe someone who knows more about what real NATO doctrine in such a situation could tell me what correctly executed NATO doctrine would be, but to me, it looks like such doctrine doesn't even exist, whereas Ukrainian/Soviet/Russian doctrine has at least some theories around the subject.
 

Tam

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Large scale assault against the positions of the Russian 36th and 155th Marine Brigades at Ugledar did not go well. Usage of the Chrysanthemum-S or Khrizantema S ATGM tank destroyer is noted.


You can see the Osa firing it's missiles to try to take down the UAV but the Lancet got the kill on it instead.


FPV drones attack a Ukrainian APC.


Ukrainian BTR goes down to a Lancet.


Russian MLRS attack with cluster munitions destroy several trucks and ammo depot at the Artemovsk sector. This appears to be a logistics hub. Russians making good their threat to use cluster munitions when the Ukrainians used theirs.


The 291st Guards Regiment has regained it's positions near Rabotino.

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Destroyed Leopard 2A4 tanks.

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Things heating up in the Kharkiv region. UMPC slams at Ukrainian hangers.

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Airstrike at a Ukrainian deployment center at Volchak.

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Destroyed Ukrainian T-64BV at the Bakhmut sector.

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