The War in the Ukraine

Soldier30

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Footage of damage to the Crimean bridge near has been published. As you know, the Crimean bridge today, July 17, at three o'clock in the morning was attacked by two Ukrainian sea drones. As you can see from the video, the bridge is damaged and one of its spans is now to be replaced. Now the movement of the Crimean bridge is blocked, emergency services are working. As a result of the explosion on the Crimean bridge, two people died.

 

gelgoog

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The Su-25 is just not survivable enough in the current battlefield environment. I think it needs major upgrades. But I do not see those happening. It needs better resistance against IR guided SAMs and better support for long range weapons to allow it to strike outside the reach of the IR guided SAMs and the Osa. The engines also have not been properly upgraded to increase their operational lifetime, unlike the engines of the fighters, I think. It uses a turbojet derived from the engine in the MiG-21.

The Russians do have boatloads of Su-25 in storage though. So it is not like those will run out any time soon. The Soviet Union built over a thousand of those things.
 

Tam

Brigadier
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Previously we have seen the Lancet fly just above the cope net wall to hit a P-18 radar. This time this Lancet appears to fly through the cope net wall, cutting through, to hit this P-18 radar. Each of these Soviet era search radars are irreplaceable and they work on the VHF bands that nullify stealth.


KUB drone attack on Ukrainian hideout at Kupyansk. KUBs don't get as much attention as Gerans and Lancets, but they are there.


One hit strike on a Ukrainian ammo depot at the Donbass region. Shooter is a MSTA-S, likely with a Krasnopol shell.


Ukrainian hideout hit by two SPG-9.


Orlan-10 from Group V scouted a Ukrainian armored column, then help guide the artillery on it.

 

HighGround

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What are you talking about? How is the constant firing or replacing of Russian generals a bad thing operationally? If the strategy is essentially the same. Tactics change but strategy remains and you must know this if am to assume you served or well-read on the military, especially American. As a matter of fact, during WWII American Generalship was constantly in Flux as commanding generals are fired, replaced, rotated as documented by Tom Ricks on his book on precisely the same title: American Generalship. He in fact argued that the piss poor performance of the American Army generals in Iraq is an institutional failure from failing to hold their generals accountable i.e. Firing or replacing them. Lt.Col. Yingling wrote a scathing op-ed piece in the NYT regarding the low quality of American Generalship and holding them accountable in his words, a private who drops his rifle has a better chance of getting punished than their Generals from failing to craft a winning strategy.

I understand am delving way off topic here, but I want to have an answer from the above posters charge and accusation (the supposed instability of firing generals) without any challenge as if it were a fact.
I am not necesarily disagreeing with you, but the argument is that Russian generals are being "fired" because the Russian MoD needs a scapegoat for its failures.

Which, when we consider the extent of Russian failures in Ukraine, is fair hypothesis.

I think the last few resignations in particular, are pretty suspicious. These commanders aren't necessarily performing poorly, but seem like they are the most anti-Shoigu of the bunch. Shoigu should definitely be replaced in my opinion, it would also make sense to replace Gerasimov with Surovikin.

But the jury's still out, the war is not over, and Russia has been performing a lot better in the last 3 months of this war, than in mid-late 2022.
 

Tam

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Odessa gets Kalibrated. Judging from the size of that explosion, that's a major ammo depot jackpot over there.

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Three Gerans hit Nikolaev.

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SAM misses a Geran.

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Town whose name I got difficulty spelling is allegedly captured by the Russians who are now advancing along the northern fronts.

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Two Ukrainian SPGs destroyed in the forest line.

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Ukrainian dugout hit by artillery fire from the 72nd Mechanized Rifle Brigade near Bakhmut. (Isn't this the brigade whose commander was 'arrested' by Wagner?).

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Pickup used by the Ukrainians hit by tankers of the 40th Marine Brigade.

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Ukrainian deployment point in Zaporzhyzhia hit by UMPC glide bombs.

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VDV at Berkhova destroyed an M113 and a BMP-2.

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Something burning at Ochakovo from Geran hit, likely a fuel depot.

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Russian artillery hits a Ukrainian SPG in the Krasnoliman sector.

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Tootensky

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I am not necesarily disagreeing with you, but the argument is that Russian generals are being "fired" because the Russian MoD needs a scapegoat for its failures.

Which, when we consider the extent of Russian failures in Ukraine, is fair hypothesis.

I think the last few resignations in particular, are pretty suspicious. These commanders aren't necessarily performing poorly, but seem like they are the most anti-Shoigu of the bunch. Shoigu should definitely be replaced in my opinion, it would also make sense to replace Gerasimov with Surovikin.

But the jury's still out, the war is not over, and Russia has been performing a lot better in the last 3 months of this war, than in mid-late 2022.
This whole situation doesn't sit right with me. Why would Russia panic fire generals now, that their situation on the front has vastly improved? They took Bakhmut for prestige, they stopped the "greatest Ukrainian counterofensive" dead in its tracks, while at the same time humiliating a ton of western tech, they start pushing in the north, and now they fire the most competent generals? I get that there are political considerations to take into account, but Russia has always been pretty good at adapting to war developing poorly. Firing generals AFTER the war, I would understand, because of political competition, but this is the equivalent of firing Zhukov in the middle of the battle of Stalingrad.

When I first heared about Surovikin being taken out of the public eye, and what has been further reinforced by other able generals following suit, is that Russia is probably going to form Stavka. Russians have more resources now, more manpower, while the Ukrainian offensive turned out to be a nothing-burger, and on top of that Zelensky got schooled like a kid in Vilnus. Remember how around February-March everyone was talking about how much is riding on the success of the counter-offensive? That if the Ukrainians don't show enough success with western weapons, the support for Ukraine in the west might waver? Well, the counter-offensive has been going for almost 2 months, and the frontline hasn't budged.

I would understand generals being pulled to form some sort of high command in anticipation of wide-scale offensive operations, maybe declaring full-scale war. I would even understand them being sent on a tour to share their experience at military academies. What I wouldn't understand is them being sent out to pasture in the middle of a war. That would pretty much fly in the face of 300 years of Russian military behavior.
 
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