The War in the Ukraine

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Results of an Ukranian column getting hit
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678331509340553216

Ukrainian unit gets ambushed, soldiers don't seem to have any idea where the fire is coming from until later in the video and they get pinned down around a trench
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678127994336956416

There is also a video of Ukranians running towards a trench the Russians had pulled out of only to find it was mined, and one of the Ukranians got blown off as soon as he stepped into the trench.

Temstar said:
This should be at the start of June in the first wave of the counteroffensive. Gives you an idea just how dense the Russian minefields are. I count two tanks and 7 MRAP lost in this charge.
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I remember the Russians suffered plenty of criticism for a similar performance around Ugledar.
 
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sheogorath said:
Results of an Ukranian column getting hit
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678331509340553216

Ukrainian unit gets ambushed, soldiers don't seem to have any idea where the fire is coming from until later in the video and they get pinned down around a trench
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1678127994336956416

There is also a video of Ukranians running towards a trench the Russians had pulled out of only to find it was mined, and one of the Ukranians got blown off as soon as he stepped into the trench.



I remember the Russians suffered plenty of criticism for a similar performance around Ugledar.
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Literally payback time as they are the same units doing the same thing to each other at the beginning, e.g. Ukrainian 72nd Mechanized Brigade vs. Russian Far East 155th Marine Brigade.

Everything in that first engagement in Ugledar, the Russians took things in heart and learned, such as laying extensive minefields. The blow left a deep impression.

On the other hand, the Ukrainians seems to have a short memory. Loss of experienced leaders perhaps and replacement by young inexperienced NATO trained leaders.

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Russian 132nd Artillery Brigade laying it on Ukrainians advancing along the forest line in Gorlovka.


Two Akhmat units, including the one that was supposed to intercept Wagner during the coup, has been deployed in Klescheevka. I believe it's one of these units that had purchased Chinese vehicles.

 
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tankphobia said:
Very expensive psyop to lose a C&C plane, EW helicopter and a ka-52 to, non of those planes are exactly plentiful in Russia.
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All that Wagner PMC story is so weird that we are walking right on psyops, propagandas and trolling conjunctures... Did they really ?

Biggest thing that matter on that forum is looking at how all these weapons build in the past 30years are doing on the field and how it will define new designs and procurements.

We are seing a neer peer conflict and in that case it all turned back on the basics of a mainly static front with artillery being key of firepower. Old damn minefields create havoc and biggun firepower is the key even from old 50 years old tubes.

Light drones for artillery corrections and guidances are a great force multiplier and everyone will need to look how to block these pest in the future but also combine them with their forces.
 
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tankphobia said:
Very expensive psyop to lose a C&C plane, EW helicopter and a ka-52 to, non of those planes are exactly plentiful in Russia.

On the othehand Wagner seems to be pulling back from its holdings in Africa, so there's some merit to the whole corp getting the stick from the Russian gov.
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They are certainly not big deal when you want to weed out traitors out the society.
why you think they are not plentiful in war time production. where newer capability constantly added?. According to Ukraine 450 attack choppers and 450 combat planes in the field at start of war.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
All that Wagner PMC story is so weird that we are walking right on psyops, propagandas and trolling conjunctures... Did they really ?
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Well I guess to determine whether it is a psyop or not we simply need to see who stands to gain from such an action. I could not think of any one who actually benefitted from the whole fiasco, not Wagner, not Russia and not even NATO. Sometimes real life is just stranger than fiction, least of all Russia politics. Soviet politics was just as fanciful, if not more so.

Atomicfrog said:
Biggest thing that matter on that forum is looking at how all these weapons build in the past 30years are doing on the field and how it will define new designs and procurements.

We are seing a neer peer conflict and in that case it all turned back on the basics of a mainly static front with artillery being key of firepower. Old damn minefields create havoc and biggun firepower is the key even from old 50 years old tubes.

Light drones for artillery corrections and guidances are a great force multiplier and everyone will need to look how to block these pest in the future but also combine them with their forces.
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The artillery duels have been as intense as ever, countries need to come up with a solution to this high rate of attrition for both wheeled and towed artillery pieces as they are simply untendable. UAVs are extremely cost effective in the attritional warfare that we're seeing now.

We also have not really seen too many ultra long ranged drones, think Shahed but more accurate and in larger volumes, one would think Russia should be able to send a endless tsunami of them, yet there are almost more cruise missiles than shaheds being launched.
 
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tankphobia said:
We also have not really seen too many ultra long ranged drones, think Shahed but more accurate and in larger volumes, one would think Russia should be able to send a endless tsunami of them, yet there are almost more cruise missiles than shaheds being launched.
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In the end, we don't really know how many Shahed are used... both sides are throwing numbers without any concordances. They still need good info of targets for these to be useful somewhat and their low speed relegate them to mostly static targets like buildings.

Shahed looked more like a stop gap measure until manufacturing of other standoff weapons kicked in. Depleting missiles stocks and detecting where sam systems are located could be one of their main use lately but you need good ISR asset to follow them.

Layered air defences clearly deny Male drones to be used deep into enemy zone. They also deny aircrafts and even attack helicopters.

Aircrafts and helicopters after more than one year of air defence attrition are still used to lobe standoff ordnances.
 
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