The War in the Ukraine

ShaoLaoDragon

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I thought DJI have suspended all sales. I assume what we're seeing is footage from just old stock drones purchased before the suspension of drone sales. Or, have DJI lifted the ban?

DJI does not sell in Ukraine and Russia but DJI sell in other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia has an entire warehouse in China where they stockpile DJI drones and truck them to Russia from time to time.
 

H2O

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DJI does not sell in Ukraine and Russia but DJI sell in other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia has an entire warehouse in China where they stockpile DJI drones and truck them to Russia from time to time.

Yes, set up a shell company to purchase and secretly ship them elsewhere. The oldest trick in the book.


Don't be naive. You would think as a for profit company DJI would forgo the opportunity to make billions selling drones for war?

What makes you think Russians cannot buy DJI drones in China or Ukrainians cannot buy DJI drones in Poland?

Well, it depends on whether DJI want their name to be associated with war doesn't it? And there's these sanctions being thrown around like candy on Halloween. Most companies would prefer to have the most access to markets.

As for circumventing bans, well, anything is possible. Even North Korea have found ways around UN sanctions for some time.
 

ShaoLaoDragon

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Yes, set up a shell company to purchase and secretly ship them elsewhere. The oldest trick in the book.




Well, it depends on whether DJI want their name to be associated with war doesn't it? And there's these sanctions being thrown around like candy on Halloween. Most companies would prefer to have the most access to markets.

As for circumventing bans, well, anything is possible. Even North Korea have found ways around UN sanctions for some time.

DJI is a for profit company. Whether it sells for war is irrelevant. It's not like people stop buying DJI drones just because DJI drones are used for war. Pickup trucks are used for war all over the world. It's not like people stop buying pickup trucks just because pickup trucks are used for war.
 

H2O

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DJI is a for profit company. Whether it sells for war is irrelevant. It's not like people stop buying DJI drones just because DJI drones are used for war. Pickup trucks are used for war all over the world. It's not like people stop buying pickup trucks just because pickup trucks are used for war.

True but it all depends on the company itself and how they want the public to perceive them. It's no different if a company terminates an employee employment for a racist statement over Twitter. Why fire an employee if it operates in a nation that supports freedom of speech?

Do we even know if these drones used in Ukraine are DJI to begin with?
 

ShaoLaoDragon

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True but it all depends on the company itself and how they want the public to perceive them. It's no different if a company terminates an employee employment for a racist statement over Twitter. Why fire an employee if it operates in a nation that supports freedom of speech?

Do we even know if these drones used in Ukraine are DJI to begin with?

Drones are used for war. DJI sells drones. Ergo, DJI is a war company. I don't see a big deal about it. War is human nature. War is a big part of people's lives. DJI drones used for war is expected and not a surprise to anyone.
 

H2O

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Drones are used for war. DJI sells drones. Ergo, DJI is a war company. I don't see a big deal about it. War is human nature. War is a big part of people's lives. DJI drones used for war is expected and not a surprise to anyone.

I highly doubt DJI want to be known to be part of the defense industry even though their products are used for purposes that they didn't plan for. Besides, there are plenty of other drone companies that cater to the defense industry. I do believe there is a thread specifically for that in this forum.

You seem to take this conversation a bit personal for some reason. All I questioned as if there was a ban and if so, has it been lifted.
 

ShaoLaoDragon

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I highly doubt DJI want to be known to be part of the defense industry even though their products are used for purposes that they didn't plan for. Besides, there are plenty of other drone companies that cater to the defense industry. I do believe there is a thread specifically for that in this forum.

You seem to take this conversation a bit personal for some reason. All I questioned as if there was a ban and if so, has it been lifted.

DJI banned sales to Ukraine and Russia so they buy from neighboring countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden bought thousands of DJI drones and sent them to Ukraine. At 2,000 USD a piece, it only costs 2 million USD to buy 1,000 drones. That is bang for the buck.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Yes, set up a shell company to purchase and secretly ship them elsewhere. The oldest trick in the book.




Well, it depends on whether DJI want their name to be associated with war doesn't it? And there's these sanctions being thrown around like candy on Halloween. Most companies would prefer to have the most access to markets.

As for circumventing bans, well, anything is possible. Even North Korea have found ways around UN sanctions for some time.
DJI banned sales to Ukraine and Russia so they buy from neighboring countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Biden bought thousands of DJI drones and sent them to Ukraine. At 2,000 USD a piece, it only costs 2 million USD to buy 1,000 drones. That is bang for the buck.
I highly doubt DJI want to be known to be part of the defense industry even though their products are used for purposes that they didn't plan for. Besides, there are plenty of other drone companies that cater to the defense industry. I do believe there is a thread specifically for that in this forum.

You seem to take this conversation a bit personal for some reason. All I questioned as if there was a ban and if so, has it been lifted.
Both of you are going off topic, thereby detailing the thread. Please take this conversation to a private chat if you wish to continue.
 

drowingfish

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The two areas I've been watching lately are Robotyne and Klishchiivka south of Bakhmut. Robotyne turned out to be a notherhingburger and possible disinformation campaign by some Osint accounts. Klishchiivka did experience something like a week of serious infantry attack from AFU but Russians reinforced the area with VDV and BARS reinforcement they seem to be beaten off as of yesterday:

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Both Rybar and Suriyak now concur, Russians carried out successful counterattack around Klishchiivka and managed to drive off AFU and retake the high grounds. AFU in recent week seems to have stopped using massed armour to advance after loss of all that Leopard and Bradley and switched to infantry infiltration, but looks like that's also not working.
quite a few bloggers have made the same observation, that ukraine has switched to infantry-heavy approach. no surprise there since a large chunk of its armor was lost in the past month. those that werent lost would still need a lot of maintenance by this point. the point of infantry is supposed to be to punch a hole in the russian defense, through which an armor thrust would take place deep into its rear. at this point, even if ukrainian infantry punctures russian defense, there is no armor to exploit it. i suspect that once ukraine has accumulated enough armor again, they'd be lacking the infantry to go along.
 

HighGround

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quite a few bloggers have made the same observation, that ukraine has switched to infantry-heavy approach. no surprise there since a large chunk of its armor was lost in the past month. those that werent lost would still need a lot of maintenance by this point. the point of infantry is supposed to be to punch a hole in the russian defense, through which an armor thrust would take place deep into its rear. at this point, even if ukrainian infantry punctures russian defense, there is no armor to exploit it. i suspect that once ukraine has accumulated enough armor again, they'd be lacking the infantry to go along.

It's too soon to make this assumption. Lack of armor could simply mean that Ukraine has stopped major offensive operations.

"Infantry infiltration" could mean either opportunistic commanders trying to seize what low-level officers consider to be important ground, or it could mean that Ukrainian armed forces are trying to "feel out" where Russian positions are by probing.

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is that right now both sides are engaging in artillery duels for key firing positions. Simultaneously, Ukraine is moving reinforcements into the Bakhmut AO in order to develop a real offensive on Klishchiivka and Berkhovka. If taken, this would surround Bakhmut in a semi-circle, making things difficult for the defenders inside Bakhmut.
 
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