The War in the Ukraine

Gloire_bb

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So replacement/equivalent of 2S9 NONA and possibly to replace some D-30 loss.

Range is probably quite low, but some source say maximum range in the indirect fire role of 14,600 m. Clearly not that bad. Precision is probably worse than dedicated artillery systems.

If availability is there why not. Still we don't see them a lot maybe because they are at the rear. Armor is probably way better than on the 2S9.
100mm D-10T gun is a riffled naval gun by birth, with a new breach.
Everything is alright there with both range and accuracy.
No variable charges, elevation of course, but iirc they in fact do have artillery sights.

Also, low trajectory now has one additional merit: those are very hard to catch for counter battery radars.

Whatever the case, treat it as a light, heavily armored(basically invulnerable to 155 splinters) stand-in indirect fire SPG with yet another untouched ammo stock.
 

Tam

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Interesting developments near Bakhmut. Seems AFU have retaken a key settlement.


Denied by Russian soldiers in the field.

According to @rybar who has field connections,

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"The most fierce clashes continue at Sticks on Soledar direction. This morning, statements were circulated on the network that Russian troops allegedly left the village, but fighters from the field denied this information.

However, the enemy’s constant inclinations at Kleshevka continue - the command of the Armed Forces of the wave drives people through the landing at the village, ignoring the losses. Nevertheless, the settlement continues to be under the control of Russian troops.

In addition, the Armed Forces intensified attempts at Fishing, where Ukrainian formations tried to occupy the gray zone near the village, but could not achieve success. At the same time, fierce battles go on Swatow site and in the area Torsky with Silver forestry.

On Vremievsky ledge fighting continues, but overall the situation Zaporizhzhya direction somewhat subsided against the background of attempts by the Armed Forces to advance on other sections of the front."


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"APU hit two HIMARS missiles on Makeevka. According to preliminary data, the hit was on the oil depot « Chervogvardeiskaya » in the mine area 8-8, resulting in a fire."

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"Destruction of the AN / MPQ-64 Sentinel radar at Kleshcheyevka

In the telegram channel @verumreactor appeared frames destruction of towed radar station AN / MPQ-64 Sentinel fighters of the 57 separate motorized rifle brigade of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

American radar was camouflaged in a forest belt between Stupochki and White mountain near Sticks, for which active clashes have been going on in recent days.

Coordinates: 48.5197510, 37.8729626

« Sentinel » is part of the NASAMS-2 anti-aircraft missile system or AN / TWQ-1 Avenger as a station for detecting air targets at short and medium range, as colleagues from the channel wrote Military informant.

Also, radar can provide a search for targets for the HAWK Phase III air defense system, replacing their two full-time radars.

Destruction of towed radar — significant result, which to some extent surpasses even the defeat of the launcher of the air defense system. The cost of one « Sentinel » is about 8 million dollars, and their number is limited."

This is a neat kill, documented with geolocation. Any radar kill is to be commented.


Wagner back to doing the overseas mercenary stuff. Here they recently rescued Chinese workers kidnapped by African militants in July 3 and 4.

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Another M777. Another Lancet. In Zaporozhye region.

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Acknowledgement in the use of Tornado G, Tornado S and Krasnopol.

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"On video:
— damage to the ammunition depot and temporary deployment point of the Armed Forces in Volchansk;
— covering the BCU column on the way to the village of White Kolodez from the RSZO « Tornada-G » and hitting the high-precision ammunition of the RSZO « Tornado-S » by hangar with equipment in the same place;
— defeat of the temporary deployment point of the Armed Forces in the village of Kazachya Lopan with an adjustable shell « Krasnopol »."


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"The 4th separate motorized rifle brigade of the 2nd Army Corps is steadfastly holding defense south of Bakhmut. On the frames, artillery attacks on the offensive forces of the enemy. @z4lpr"

YPR-765 kill by ATGM in the Orekhiv front credited to the 810th Marine Brigade of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

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So replacement/equivalent of 2S9 NONA and possibly to replace some D-30 loss.

Range is probably quite low, but some source say maximum range in the indirect fire role of 14,600 m. Clearly not that bad. Precision is probably worse than dedicated artillery systems.

If availability is there why not. Still we don't see them a lot maybe because they are at the rear. Armor is probably way better than on the 2S9.

Have not seen any to be honest. Most likely usage is to be used as kamekaze tanks filled with explosives. 2S9 Nona is a mortar however so it's not an equivalent and mainly used with the VDV. They probably pulled a few tanks for development work, perhaps making modifications before putting them into the field as artillery pieces or assault guns. With turrets they can also be used as tractors to pull towed guns, replacing MT-LBs.

Someone mentioned or asked why the Russians do not have yet a wheeled artillery SPG like the French CAESAR and Chinese systems, the answer is that the Russians do. It's called the Malva and it's expected to come into official service soon although I suppose some early production pieces are already being field tested in battle, Kremennaya tends to be the lab test for new weapons.
 
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gelgoog

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It just amazes me that, with all the witless incompetence we've seen from the Russian army this last 16 months, people still can't believe they've taken heavy losses. You don't start dragging T62s and T55s out of the junkyard for no reason, FFS!
I am fairly sure that the Russians lost many hundreds of tanks. But needing to take those older tanks out of storage is not just due to tank losses. It is one thing to need tanks to act as spearheads for several armored thrusts into Ukraine, it is quite another if you want to have enough tanks to cover the whole line of contact several lines deep, same reason why they had to vastly increase troop numbers by calling up reserves.

Using these older tanks as artillery should also improve logistics to a degree. You won't need a 152mm shell for every target, the 100mm tank shells are probably good enough for a lot of targets, and much smaller in size to transport. Ammo stocks for the smaller shells were also basically untouched.

One thing the Russians figured out in the conflict is that just using 152mm artillery isn't optimal, so they also brought out the 122mm artillery, and even 100mm guns. Lack of availability of recent artillery platforms is a major problem. A couple systems were developed but did not enter use in large numbers.

Someone mentioned or asked why the Russians do not have yet a wheeled artillery SPG like the French CAESAR and Chinese systems, the answer is that the Russians do. It's called the Malva and it's expected to come into official service soon although I suppose some early production pieces are already being field tested in battle, Kremennaya tends to be the lab test for new weapons.
The Russians designed a couple of wheeled artillery systems but several of them seem to have been a failure. They tried to put the Coalition gun on a KAMAZ truck chassis but it turned not to be a stable enough platform for example. I think the Malva uses an overly expensive chassis for the kind of gun it can use. One promising wheeled system, I think, is the 120mm wheeled mortar aka 2S40 Floks.
 

Tam

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I am fairly sure that the Russians lost many hundreds of tanks. But needing to take those older tanks out of storage is not just due to tank losses. It is one thing to need tanks to act as spearheads for several armored thrusts into Ukraine, it is quite another if you want to have enough tanks to cover the whole line of contact several lines deep, same reason why they had to vastly increase troop numbers by calling up reserves.

Using these older tanks as artillery should also improve logistics to a degree. You won't need a 152mm shell for every target, the 100mm tank shells are probably good enough for a lot of targets, and much smaller in size to transport. Ammo stocks for the smaller shells were also basically untouched.

One thing the Russians figured out in the conflict is that just using 152mm artillery isn't optimal, so they also brought out the 122mm artillery, and even 100mm guns. Lack of availability of recent artillery platforms is a major problem. A couple systems were developed but did not enter use in large numbers.


The Russians designed a couple of wheeled artillery systems but several of them seem to have been a failure. They tried to put the Coalition gun on a KAMAZ truck chassis but it turned not to be a stable enough platform for example. I think the Malva uses an overly expensive chassis for the kind of gun it can use. One promising wheeled system, I think, is the 120mm wheeled mortar aka 2S40 Floks.

I suspect wheeled vehicles still have issues on the Ukrainian black mud. An indication of this is the surge of production of the more expensive tracked TOS-1A as opposed to the wheeled TOS-2 that was supposed to replace it as a cheaper option. Another is the use of MT-LB as a tractor to tow howitzers instead of wheeled trucks.

This makes think the T-55 chassis is going to be experimented on for various uses. Without turret, it can be used as a towing vehicle for howitzers. Without turret it can be converted as a support vehicles such as adding the Berezhok turret with 30mm and four Kornets. D-10s can be utilized as separate artillery pieces.

With all the tests being done and passed on the Malva, I think a first batch is going to be made and deployed, and depending on the results of this batch, whether production will continue and further modifications will be made.
 

Tam

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ATGM strike at this Ukrainian observation post.

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Russian 71st SME of the 42nd Division shows off captured equipment. Turret of M2 Bradley shown. This at Orekhov sector.

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Polish Krab destroyed by artillery fire of the Russian 200th Brigade near Soledar.

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In the Krasoliman direction, a drone observed a Ukrainian APC gets hit. This could be direct tank fire.

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No explosive devices planted at the roof of the Zaporhyzhia NPP despite Zelensky's claims.

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Reports of the Russian Black Sea Fleet firing cruise missiles, headed towards Lyiv.

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Observed explosion at Lyiv.
 

Tam

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BMP-2 hit by Lancet.

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2S1 Gvozdika SPG hit by Lancet.

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M113 destroyed by the 34th Brigade in the Zaporozhye front.

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Russian artillery hits Ukrainian ammo depot in the Volchansk region.

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AMX-10R suddenly explodes. This by the Russian Far East 40th Marine Brigade.

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Russian UMPC equipped glide bombs hits Ukrainian parking lot of vehicles and command post. Observing and recording drone is one of those that lases for Krasnopol, like Orlan-30. This in the Kupyan front.

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Surpluswarrior

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Reading all this stuff about 'weakening Russia's combat potential,' it seems disingenuous.

Russia is producing 30 tanks per week, old and new. Russia was recruiting 1300, now 1400 soldiers per day.

All this death and destruction, to produce a temporary reduction in Russia's 'combat potential?' In a years' time, the Russian armed forces are likely to be larger and more capable than on February 22, 2023.

It's clear that NATO strategists don't care at all about Ukrainian lives. All this talk about 'waging war on the cheap.' What do you think that means? Who is dying, and what are their lives worth, if this is considered 'cheap?'

As for the T-54s, those were rolled out as artillery. It was explained in videos and articles. It seems macabre to me for some people to fixate on hundreds or alleged thousands of T-72 losses, when Russians are still pulling T-72 and T-80 out from deep storage to refurbish. Those T-72 and T-80 are still being populated into the battlefield. Is risking nuclear exchange worth it to reduce the Russian reserve weapons stockpiles?
 
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