Only governments are supposed to have a monopoly on violence. Putin just negotiated with a terrorist. Very bad optics.
The War in the Ukraine
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That is very linient of Russian government. I was thinking Prigozhin "fled Russia" (self exile) while Russia keeps the criminal charge, so to maintain a formal cover for legal principle.
On the other hand, this whole thing is so bizzare. Either Prigozhin is an idiot or there is a huge trick hidden. I think he is just idiotic though.
Ok guys, prigo saga is over. I personally think he is a russian patriot, he wanted Shoigu and Germasimov out. I think that will be part of the deal with the MoD. it's a win win for russia at the end of the day.
Anyways, ukraine tried again to go through russian defenses in the Zaporizhzhia front, it didnt go well... at all.
more pics here
Anyways, ukraine tried again to go through russian defenses in the Zaporizhzhia front, it didnt go well... at all.
more pics here
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If what you say is true, and I'm only saying if, then Putin just got rid of two less than competent military commanders (Shoigu and Gerasimov) while integrating a proven capable mercenary army into the Russian Armed Forces.
Sounds like killing two birds with one stone to me.
The whole affair was over in less than 24 hours. Prigozhin only had the loyalty of Wagner foot soldiers. He couldn't command the air force, the artillery, or even the supply chain. If it came to a shooting war, the best they could accomplish was to destabilize Russia's war efforts in Ukraine, but the outcome for them would have been the same: utter annihilation.
The only scenario that makes sense is something pissed Wagner off, and it might even be true that they were attacked by Russian forces, and they decided to gather en mass and march to Moscow as a sign of protest without thinking through the ramifications of their actions. Russian authorities understandably freaked out and took defensive measures, but then the leaders on either side came to their senses and negotiated a deal that was in the best interests of everyone involved.
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I think that the Ukrainians are better suited to using Soviet origin weapons. You can’t familiarize with new weapons to the same extent you have with something that you’ve trained with for decades.
this is why when people talk about how amazing India or Taiwan are, its best to remember: you can't buy or be gifted greatness. its earned. being bought or gifted equipment only works against those who are on the same level, it doesn't work for those who make their own equipment because at minimum at least those who make their own equipment understand why its made that way and the doctrinal usages, while those who buy only know the paper specs.
You mean the so called missile strike in his camp? We have daily pictures and videos of what a real missile strike looks like from the ground and on air on both sides of the war. I wasn't comfortable thinking that was a missile or PGM strike.
Back to the front.
We are seeing lots of TOS everywhere. The production of these units have seriously ramped up. They come from the same factory that's ramping up production or is it refitting of T-80BVM tanks.
As the soon to be ex-Wagnerites, it's not necessary that they will be integrated directly into the Russian Armed Forces, but there are a whole host of DPR and LPR volunteer groups advertising in Russian Telegram channels for volunteers. Currently the most famous or notorious of these groups is the Kaskad Battalion or obtf Kaskad. They were a key point in the defense of Novodonetsk, and is responsible for tons of Lancet and sniper videos in the web.
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I think this means that the situation has developed in a direction that everyone cannot predict.
Wake up in the morning, the mutiny ended, and both sides reached an agreement. Only VKS suffered the most severe losses.
Wagner's march towards Moscow was largely unimpeded, with only VKS taking direct action. The worst-case scenario was that the mutiny was tacitly sanctioned by the army, and they were seriously dissatisfied with the ministry of defense and VKS.
It is difficult to say what Putin's current thoughts are. Although pledging allegiance in various places is reassuring, he can see that Wagner is not the only one dissatisfied with the current situation.
wow what a day, and like that the coup ended. I still say the damage was done, the putin system was compromised. the big question is how will this influence the war. i think ukraine is even less likely to compromise now that they sense weakness, putin will also need a significant victory to restore his lost prestige.
Given the fact that the Wagner - MoD fiasco is over, there is no need to write posts about this topic any more unless more groundbreaking information comes out that can influence the military operations on both sides. Any more such posts after this warning will be deleted.