The War in the Ukraine

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Tam

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Incendiaries used by a BARS group of Russian Far East volunteers in Zaporozhye against a Ukrainian position. These are launched from a GRAD MLRS.


Russian and Ukrainian prisoner exchange. Vehicles on the Ukrainian side has white flags to greet returnees.



Russian Marine Brigade hits a running Ukrainian truck. Not sure what weapon is used.


Trivia: name Bakhmut comes from Turkish word Mahmud, which is Mohammad.
 
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Right_People

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SolarWarden said:
The tweet pretty much says it all in my opinion
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1661837027820576782

This whole narrative by many that they are saving them for a possible NATO confrontation is just a lie so that folks can cope. Dropping dumb bombs at low altitude in your own airspace with your "best" A2G aircraft is rubbish.
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Just reading the first sentence you know it is a stupid comment and a lie.

A few weeks ago 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35 were shot down 50km inside Russia probably by a Ukrainian missile, so the phrase "out of range" is a total lie. That is to say, all his comment has a lie as a parting point.
Even before this video was posted, someone in this thread commented on the idea that perhaps the operation was a bait to lure planes into being shot down by SAMs positioned for an ambush.

The Russians made a lot of use of munitions dropped like this early in the war until they started suffering heavy casualties and simply stopped going out to close support with Su-34s and I won't defend that.
But if there is one situation where it made sense to drop dumb bombs at low altitude it was precisely that. Obviously there is a risk of MANPADs, but there is a huge potential risk of being shot down if you use guided weapons that require flying at high altitudes, as I said that very thing happened a week ago.
 
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Right_People said:
Just reading the first sentence you know it is a stupid comment and a lie.

A few weeks ago 1 Su-34 and 1 Su-35 were shot down 50km inside Russia probably by a Ukrainian missile, so the phrase "out of range" is a total lie. That is to say, all his comment has a lie as a parting point.
Even before this video was posted, someone in this thread commented on the idea that perhaps the operation was a bait to lure planes into being shot down by SAMs positioned for an ambush.

The Russians made a lot of use of munitions dropped like this early in the war until they started suffering heavy casualties and simply stopped going out to close support with Su-34s and I won't defend that.
But if there is one situation where it made sense to drop dumb bombs at low altitude it was precisely that. Obviously there is a risk of MANPADs, but there is a huge potential risk of being shot down if you use guided weapons that require flying at high altitudes, as I said that very thing happened a week ago.
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You don't use your most "advanced" limited numbers A2G fighter bomber in that role that is why you have SU-25's.
 
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SolarWarden said:
You don't use your most "advanced" limited numbers A2G fighter bomber in that role that is why you have SU-25's.
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Lol. This isn't a video game.

A Su-34 was probably the soonest available ground strike aircraft available.

It used a dumb bomb or a glide bomb because that's an appropriate munition for this kind of mission.

The miss is likely due to miscommunication or inaccuracy from the air combat controller on the ground, who's calling in the airstrike.

Or any number of a hundred reasons for why an air strike might not be ideal. You think we didn't miss anything with bombs during Desert Storm? Or Syria? Or how about this
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I don't know why it's always such a dramatic and war-defining revelation with you and the Tweets you read. Sometimes, there are relatively simple explanations.
 
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HighGround said:
Lol. This isn't a video game.

A Su-34 was probably the soonest available ground strike aircraft available.

It used a dumb bomb or a glide bomb because that's an appropriate munition for this kind of mission.

The miss is likely due to miscommunication or inaccuracy from the air combat controller on the ground, who's calling in the airstrike.

Or any number of a hundred reasons for why an air strike might not be ideal. You think we didn't miss anything with bombs during Desert Storm? Or Syria? Or how about this
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I don't know why it's always such a dramatic and war-defining revelation with you and the Tweets you read. Sometimes, there are relatively simple explanations.
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Good post.

It is very annoying to read posts and news/analysis that hanlde like a postulate "russians stupid".

Would be more interesting to think a bit about the context,motivation and general picture that it gives to the objective observer.

Problem is many propaganda slogen accepted as unquestioned truth, like
1. Russians stupid
2. russians lie
3. russians evil


And all discussion handling the three above point on the same validity level like "1+1=2"

Example this case would be more interesting to start a discussion about what realistic reason could leade to the observed action . And if it is hard to imagine with Russians, lets try t pretend we saw on that video a bunch of f-35 doing strike mission,against afgans .
 
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Tam

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You spends months if not years training as a commando or special forces. It all ends suddenly when a drone spots you the moment you land, walked to your secret hideout, and the drone orders an artillery shell right into your place.

Ukrainian DRG landing, tracked the whole time, and an artillery shell lands straight to the hideout.


UR-77 Meteorite mine clearing vehicle decides to clear a Ukrainian held trenchwork instead. This is too spectacular to be a mere trench, it may also be holding an ammo dump, guessing from the secondary explosion.


Lancet suddenly hitting this truck which can be ferrying people or supplies..


This video again but in the right context, not in Belgorod. This is an Su-34 dropping unguided incendiaries over a Ukrainian airfield. Secondary explosions makes me think cluster munitions with bomblets are used.


Ukrainian base or depot in Kherson flattened with a FAB-500 bomb.

 
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Now that's Ivan Khurs. For real. How to differentiate with Alexandrite class ? The mast. Alexandrite minehunter doesnt have those.

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Her condition from the same side that supposedly hit :

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1662034490867453952

It's either Russians quick at paintjob OR Ukrainians actually released the footage of the drone prior to get mow down by the KPVT. It could also probably means Ukrainian only bring 1 drone to attack and Ru MOD lies by increasing the number of the drones by 2.
 
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typexx

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Stealthflanker said:
Daym.

Considering how Middle East countries apparently normalizing relations with Syria now. Those "Revolutionaries" in Idlib and Northern Syria will gonna need a new line of work soon, and this could be one.

There could be like fresh 10-50K influx of battle tested forces from there.
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Fsa rebels still haven't learned how to aim they are very bad at fighting but they can used to fill empty places
 
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