The War in the Ukraine

They are surface to surface. Or at least they can be.



Both the Chinese missile you mentioned and these ones have the sensors in the launch vehicle.
In the case of the Russian missiles they are laser beam or radio guided. As for using fibreoptic cables, no long range missile uses such a system.

gelgoog said:

They are surface to surface. Or at least they can be.

Both the missile you mentioned and these ones have the sensors in the launch vehicle.
In the case of the Russian missiles they are laser beam or radio guided. As for using fibreoptic cables, no long range missile uses such a system.

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Guidance: fiber optic + MMW radar or fiber optic + ImIR

vincent said:

Neither of them are optically guided with fibreoptic cable that can't be jammed

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Ataka and Vikhr are beam-riding though, which isn't that jammeable, either

You would have to prove that. For example the Israeli Spike ATGM has a fiber optic wire guided version. But it is the short range variant of the missile. Spike NLOS, the long range variant, is radio guided. No one uses wire guided on long range missiles that I know of. You get issues with tangled wires, and then there is the whole deal of the volume of cables you have to store with each missile.

Right_People said:

In other topics, the Belgorod party ended bad for the AFU, I wont share the photo of the ukranian KIAs, but there is many.
2 Maxx Pro captured and others destroyed, all for a photo.
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I've seen the pictures, pretty brutal. I don't see how this would even count as a diversion, a diversion for what?
It wasn't like the previous PR missions, like when Ukrainian forces reached a border post for a photo then withdrew.
It looks like the Ukrainians just sent the anti-Putin Russians to their deaths.

Abominable said:

I've seen the pictures, pretty brutal. I don't see how this would even count as a diversion, a diversion for what?
It wasn't like the previous PR missions, like when Ukrainian forces reached a border post for a photo then withdrew.
It looks like the Ukrainians just sent the anti-Putin Russians to their deaths.

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Could count as a recon mission.... It look like the border is clearly not guarded hard enough.

Don't know if they have seen them coming but a couple of entrenched t55 or even Bmp1 at each border entry points could be the minimum deterence in a war situation ?

Where's the Russian Army? I thought Russian MOD claimed to have stopped/killed most of the Russian freedom fighters but pro-Russian sources say otherwise.

Russian freedom fighters are still advancing

sheogorath said:

Ataka and Vikhr are beam-riding though, which isn't that jammeable, either

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Not non-line-of-sight like HJ-10

Atomicfrog said:

Could count as a recon mission.... It look like the border is clearly not guarded hard enough.

Don't know if they have seen them coming but a couple of entrenched t55 or even Bmp1 at each border entry points could be the minimum deterence in a war situation ?

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Seems like they had a BTR-82A in the checkpoint.
It seems that the response was swift in terms of the air force and mobilising soldiers by helicopter.
There have already been several changes and Shoigu has announced that he will review border guard discipline and procedures.
Local militia groups complain that the police apparently do not allow them to carry weapons, a 50-year-old man must have belonged to the militia, the Ukrainians discovered him and killed him in his home.
In my view keeping troops here more than necessary would be a mistake, they should improve the surveillance that has failed and arm the local militia a bit more.

Are they really "capturing" villages or just marauding around?
I imagine they don't have enough people to actually hold any ground if they all fit into a few APCs