I would think both. The big massive explosion is probably the chemical plant, followed with subsequent strikes and cook offs of the S-300s and ammo trains nearby. Smart or stupid of them to store weapons and ammo near the plant Pavolograd is an important transportation hub for east and south Donetsk, it's obvious it will be protected and surrounded by your best AD, which unfortunately has gone up in smoke. There are numerous videos showing windows blasting which is apparently a massive shockwave in the area. More than depots there are ammunition and supply trains in the area that would have been targeted. I would think the culprit are Iskanders. Bombers on the air like Tu-95s are for followup strikes all over the front.
The War in the Ukraine
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I would think both. The big massive explosion is probably the chemical plant, followed with subsequent strikes and cook offs of the S-300s and ammo trains nearby. Smart or stupid of them to store weapons and ammo near the plant Pavolograd is an important transportation hub for east and south Donetsk, it's obvious it will be protected and surrounded by your best AD, which unfortunately has gone up in smoke. There are numerous videos showing windows blasting which is apparently a massive shockwave in the area. More than depots there are ammunition and supply trains in the area that would have been targeted. I would think the culprit are Iskanders. Bombers on the air like Tu-95s are for followup strikes all over the front.
wow really? army equipment is not meant to be like that. who in their right mind would allow in service a kind of weapon that cannot withstand mud? if this is the bulwark of Ukrainian equipment for the upcoming offensive then this offensive is surely going to fail without direct NATO intervention.
Geolocation based on footage seems to support that the strike did not hit the train yard. So last 3 pages of back and forth is basically moot.
if russia aimed for that location its because there is something there worth hitting, in the end they clearly hit the intended target. its not like they were supposed to hit the train yard then missed but hit some storage facility instead. the tweet in my opinion is a lot of cope.
Really apocalyptic scenario.
It went from doomposting half of ukranian ammo for offensive and 12-16 s-300 launchers to some expired rocket fuel, I think the cope is justified.
SS-24 were built before the '90s. Solid rocket fuel deterioration already happens around 10 years, and we know this long ago because the Russians had a warranty on the S-300, S-400 and Shtils (naval Buks) sold to China. This would put those solid fuel propellants already over 40 years old.
But something caused it to blow up like this,
That's like a tactical nuke. Earthquake sensors in Turkey detected it. That looks to me a lot of non expired explosive material is stockpiled there.
Sensible reasons of strike :
1. Show that "if required we can make visible and nice booms , similar like in Crimea"
2. Something was stored / manufactured on the site, this explosion destroyed everything in a huge area. The falling fuel debris ignited everything .
3. They hit something relevant.
Ukraine using similar vintage S-300 missiles.
The most likelly problem with the old ICBM missiles is the lack of spares to keep allive/test the steering systems .
This sound like a joke
Germany has sent 14 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, according to an of its military support to Kyiv. These weapons contain electronics that are so vulnerable to dirt and moisture that soldiers have to wear slippers or booties when they enter the vehicles so they don't track in any mud, the New York Times on Monday.
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Each howitzer even comes with a vacuum cleaner, and the barrels sometimes have to be cleaned with a long brush. "The Panzer really loves cleanliness," an artillery commander named Mykola told the Times, referring to a nickname for the Panzerhaubitze. "If you fire off two full loads of ammunition, you need to spend a day servicing it."
Serious ?
They made these for static display, or for war ?
Semingly these system lack full and rigous testing and evaluation.
I tought that this kind of issue is a problem for the USA ( Ford carrier, F35 and so on), but seemingly it plagued the whole NATO and Co. .
Germany sent 14 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, according to an inventory of its military support to Kyiv.
A muddy mess in Ukraine is making trouble for new howitzers so sensitive to dirt they come with their own vacuum cleaners
- Ukraine's recently obtained German-made self-propelled howitzers are particularly vulnerable to mud.
- Soldiers have to be very clean and careful when entering the vehicles, The New York Times reported.
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Germany has sent 14 Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, according to an of its military support to Kyiv. These weapons contain electronics that are so vulnerable to dirt and moisture that soldiers have to wear slippers or booties when they enter the vehicles so they don't track in any mud, the New York Times on Monday.
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Each howitzer even comes with a vacuum cleaner, and the barrels sometimes have to be cleaned with a long brush. "The Panzer really loves cleanliness," an artillery commander named Mykola told the Times, referring to a nickname for the Panzerhaubitze. "If you fire off two full loads of ammunition, you need to spend a day servicing it."
Serious ?
They made these for static display, or for war ?
Semingly these system lack full and rigous testing and evaluation.
I tought that this kind of issue is a problem for the USA ( Ford carrier, F35 and so on), but seemingly it plagued the whole NATO and Co. .