Seems there was a missile strike in Pavlograd rail station
The War in the Ukraine
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Either they sent lots of missiles or we can clearly hear secundary explosions
They report it as 2 full divisions of S-300 destroyed.
But no confirmation just "sources"
Iron Dome was designed to intercept cheap artillery rockets. Think of those as home made Grad rockets. It will be useless against Shaheds or cruise missiles. The Shaheds and cruise missiles can change direction unlike artillery rockets. In order to protect from air attacks, Israel has multiple layered air defense systems. Iron Dome is just one of those systems. They also have David's Sling for intercepting aircraft, which is what you would use against Shaheds or cruise missiles, and Arrow for intercepting ballistic missiles. David's Sling would likely work against those kinds of weapons but it is too expensive to use against a Shahed. Each interceptor missile of David's Sling costs over a million dollars.
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A fuel tank is quite a soft target... these little drones are quite nice to bring havoc on these.
My apologies for not responding earlier. Time constraints and all that.
Nope. They were actually intermarried with Russians. They viewed Russians as a separate, but sibling people. They freely traveled to and from Russia. They also were NOT fans of Western Ukrainians at all. To put it very politely. They generally supported the Party of Regions and had a vicious, spittle splattering hatred of Tymoshenko. Putin was someone they were ambivalent to. They intensely disliked NATO.
That said, it wildly changed in 2014. Friends were murdered. The so-called secessionists brutalized people who stayed behind. A Moscow Patriarchate priest had to be bribed to get one daugher and her two sons out of the city safely. One grandmother tried to stay to protect their property became so traumatized she has massive PTSD to this day[*]. Baba Z - 85 at the time and a literal Russian - who decided to stay ("No one moves me. Not even if he has an AK." Baba Z was one mean, tough old bird.) would die alone after the ceasefire: the family would not be allowed to even visit her while she was alive or attend her funeral. There were no men left in the family other than myself. There was no chance they were going to lead a revolt.
The family lost all of their property in Gorlovka: a house and a dacha not too far away where they grew food. Both of those they had since the 1980s during the Soviet Union.
*. One story she told - before going to pray again - was she went out for supplies because she was running low. She had a very bad feeling and dropped to the ground. An RPG went over her - idk how closely - and killed a family in Gorlovka. I have no context why an RPG was in use in downtown Gorlovka at that point, but the MIL is not one noted for lying. Ever.
They fled to Poltava. They rebuilt their lives. And then this war happened. They lost everything again.
Their rage cannot be put into words. Their hate is insane. It wasn't like this when I married into the family. They had far more skepticism of the West than Russia.
This is not a unique experience. Many families have had it.
Russia lost a lot of support in Ukraine in 2014. It has gotten worse since.
Kharkov's original support was largely imported. A friend said Kharkov, much to the Russians surprise, was the dog that didn't bark. The guy who tore down the Ukrainian flag in Kharkov was a Russian criminal.
In fact, many of the so-called secessionists and the leaders of the early war in the Donbas were not Ukrainians at all. Strelkov, Motorola (Pavlov), , etc. were all people who never lived in the Donbass. They did find some local supporters. In our [extremely small sample size and subjective] experience only about 20% of the original Donbass population . Most wanted to be left alone to live their lives. They wanted to hate the Western Ukrainians, mock Kiev, and just get along with their growing potatoes, doing their jobs and living their lives.
Russia's actions starting in 2014 have welded together Ukraine as a people in ways I would have never, ever thought would be possible. A Russian talking head on Russian TV actually said it best: this war, the Russo-Ukrainian War - is Ukraine's Great Patriotic War.
It should also be noted - in full disclosure - the experience of the family with the secessionists was extremely bad in 2014 (and since). When the Russian army crossed into Ukraine, Baba A and Z both stated you could tell the difference. The Russian army soldiers were polite and took pains to be respectful to the elderly and women. The secessionists looted and raped. They were criminals and thugs. More than once, Russian soldiers[*] intervened to help the family with the secessionist thugs. However, Putin unleashed the thugs and the family hasn't forgotten that.
Skirting the rules here, let's say if Pushilin or any of his ilk were ever alone with any of the women of my family, I have no doubt which would come out alive even though the women are about 154 cm and 45 kg.
*. This is what has led to a more nuanced POV for myself with the Russian soldiers. Czars, presidents and kings order, but often there are good people just stuck in a situation. Someone I might have bought a drink or a meal for to BS and swap stories with.
Ukrainians are a passionate people. They passionate in love. They are passionate in their hate and contempt. Putin has most definitely and utterly earned their hate and contempt.
For what it's worth and this is worth as much as you paid for it. It is also just my family's experience. Again, my apologies for the late reply and my poor quality writing.
General post here.
A month later and the Russians still haven't taken all of Bakhmut. To give credit, they have taken 90% of it a month and change since I previously posted. Adiivka hasn't fallen. Marinka is still fought over. I haven't heard much about the Kreminna battles? Has the front moved much at all?
I've seen reports of the T-55s at the front. I also have seen reports of the T-14 having been sent. How many have been delivered so far? I hope the T-14s are only being sent for field trials sort of thing.
The BBC confirmed the names of 21,700 dead Russian soldiers, not casualties, and there are certainly going to be more than what the BBC can confirm. That would imply the casualties are over 100k. The original force was at most 190k. The equivalent of over 50% of the original force has been a casualty.
Based on my count (flawed though it is), the Russians have had 90% of the tanks they went in to the war with destroyed (by number). 49% of the original IFVs and APCs have been destroyed. 64 BTGs and an additional 17 tank battalions are destroyed. Not 'lost,' but destroyed.
The Russians have reinforced and per the Pentagon there are significantly more Russian forces in Ukraine than in the beginning of the war.
Have the Russians shot their shot for the offensive we were hearing about? If so, as I said a year ago, the Russians massively underperformed. Or are the Russians going to launch their big push in the next two or three weeks?
Will the Ukrainians launch their offensive? Will be falter from the group's POV? Will it succeed? Where does the group think the Ukrainians will attack?
Will we see two offensives run smack into each other? A crashing of icebergs?
Remember to be skeptical folks! Donbass Devushka who people liked to quote from here for a while turned out to be an American naval enlisted woman who, afaict, has never been to Ukraine.
A month later and the Russians still haven't taken all of Bakhmut. To give credit, they have taken 90% of it a month and change since I previously posted. Adiivka hasn't fallen. Marinka is still fought over. I haven't heard much about the Kreminna battles? Has the front moved much at all?
I've seen reports of the T-55s at the front. I also have seen reports of the T-14 having been sent. How many have been delivered so far? I hope the T-14s are only being sent for field trials sort of thing.
The BBC confirmed the names of 21,700 dead Russian soldiers, not casualties, and there are certainly going to be more than what the BBC can confirm. That would imply the casualties are over 100k. The original force was at most 190k. The equivalent of over 50% of the original force has been a casualty.
Based on my count (flawed though it is), the Russians have had 90% of the tanks they went in to the war with destroyed (by number). 49% of the original IFVs and APCs have been destroyed. 64 BTGs and an additional 17 tank battalions are destroyed. Not 'lost,' but destroyed.
The Russians have reinforced and per the Pentagon there are significantly more Russian forces in Ukraine than in the beginning of the war.
Have the Russians shot their shot for the offensive we were hearing about? If so, as I said a year ago, the Russians massively underperformed. Or are the Russians going to launch their big push in the next two or three weeks?
Will the Ukrainians launch their offensive? Will be falter from the group's POV? Will it succeed? Where does the group think the Ukrainians will attack?
Will we see two offensives run smack into each other? A crashing of icebergs?
Remember to be skeptical folks! Donbass Devushka who people liked to quote from here for a while turned out to be an American naval enlisted woman who, afaict, has never been to Ukraine.
Please tread carefully and use good judgement on these types of posts. This Ukraine conflict thread is not to be used to either glorify or mock casualties and KIA personnel on any side.
Warning this is from Russian state media, and according to Russian MoD. However we are seeing a lot of attacks against reserves, deployment areas and supply routes and this is collaborated and reported in a variety of media.
Huge ammunition train with over 200 tons of supplies were destroyed according to Russian MoD near Kramatorsk. I believe this to be the attack at Pavlograd.
Skyline is burning at Pavlograd after supply routes is struck.
Explosion is so bad it blew windows at apartments nearby.
Kyiv Independent confirms Pavlograd strike.
More details about the ammunition destroyed. They included a huge batch of S-300 missiles, good for 16 installations, according to Readovka. If this is true, assuming this is true, thats a large chunk of the remaining air defenses.
Huge ammunition train with over 200 tons of supplies were destroyed according to Russian MoD near Kramatorsk. I believe this to be the attack at Pavlograd.
Skyline is burning at Pavlograd after supply routes is struck.
Explosion is so bad it blew windows at apartments nearby.
Kyiv Independent confirms Pavlograd strike.
More details about the ammunition destroyed. They included a huge batch of S-300 missiles, good for 16 installations, according to Readovka. If this is true, assuming this is true, thats a large chunk of the remaining air defenses.
The problem with OSINT "analysis" is that they are generally heavily skewed due to their biase. They only show and tell what conforms to their biases and nothing else.