The War in the Ukraine

gelgoog said:

That is basically artillery range. Check the range of the PzH 2000 for example. It can do better range than that with just base bleed rounds.

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The aforementioned range is not very different from the range of the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E, the latter being constantly employed in long-range precision attacks on Avdiivka and Marinka, being highly praised by the members here in the thread, I'm sure Ukraine will make good use of JDAM-ER just as the russians now are making good use of their PGMs.

I find the case that Ukraine will launch its spring offensive at Bakhmut convincing.

Bakhmut is symbolically important, the Western media are talking about an offensive to the South, and Zelensky is doing interviews saying they'll never retreat from Bakhmut (while the Western media pretends this is stupid). Which implies that the offensive won't be to the south and that Ukraine has a plan to keep Bakhmut. Also, the allure of a reverse Stalingrad is just too enticing.

Hope Russia is prepared and that Putin has started getting better information. Wish there had been (or will be) another mobilization for this.

Not sure if Russia should pause offensive efforts to shift to defense?

Anyways, look forward to seeing some destroyed Leopards! (If Ukraine had received them, which I bet it has).

Sinnavuuty said:

The aforementioned range is not very different from the range of the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E, the latter being constantly employed in long-range precision attacks on Avdiivka and Marinka, being highly praised by the members here in the thread, I'm sure Ukraine will make good use of JDAM-ER just as the russians now are making good use of their PGMs.

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If they can fly without being intercepted to 30 km from target it bring a bigger bang for sure. Still when tossing the plane become a prime target far of his base. Quite risky tho... Don't know if they can launch it with a smerch rocket instead ? Preflight coordinates are loaded, they just need it to be pushed at enough altitude.

Sinnavuuty said:

The aforementioned range is not very different from the range of the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E, the latter being constantly employed in long-range precision attacks on Avdiivka and Marinka, being highly praised by the members here in the thread, I'm sure Ukraine will make good use of JDAM-ER just as the russians now are making good use of their PGMs.

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Or it simply means the USA run out of HIMARS ammunition.

That should be cheaper and more survivable than a SU/MIG tossing bombs, considering Russia has assimetrical ability to target anything in air.


The ability of Russia to use aircrafts showing the degradation of the Ukrainan / NATO provided air defence, the usage of JDAMs by Ukraine showing the depleted stock of precision guided munition.

Sinnavuuty said:

The aforementioned range is not very different from the range of the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E, the latter being constantly employed in long-range precision attacks on Avdiivka and Marinka, being highly praised by the members here in the thread

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In the case of the KAB-500 and KAB-15000 they are actually well integrated with their platforms, though, and the onboard computers can probably offer an apropiate launching paramaters. That said, I doubt the Russians have enough of the things in service, so I doubt they are that effective.

The JDAMs in Ukraine's case are probably jury rigged and launched blindly which will affect the performance and what can be done with them. Similar issue with the HARMs which were initially billed as a game changer.

Borrell: 11,000 Ukrainian soldiers trained by end of March​

High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Josep Borrell said on Wednesday that the EU will train 11,000 Ukrainian soldiers by the end of the month, and 30,000 by the end of the year. "To win the peace, Ukraine needs to win the war," he said at a press conference after an informal defense ministers' meeting in Sweden.

NATO is actively preparing the spring offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, apparently with the crossing of water barriers. The Bundeswehr today announced the transfer to Ukraine of two more Gepard ZSUs (36 in total), two vehicles for border guards, as well as another 13 Biber bridgelayer to the already seven existing ones.

U.S. military eyes mounting Western air-to-air missiles on Ukrainian MiGs​

Sinnavuuty said:

The aforementioned range is not very different from the range of the KAB-500S-E and KAB-1500S-E, the latter being constantly employed in long-range precision attacks on Avdiivka and Marinka, being highly praised by the members here in the thread, I'm sure Ukraine will make good use of JDAM-ER just as the russians now are making good use of their PGMs.

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Arty rounds are pretty much useless against intrenched troops and GMLRS are not as effective due to small warhead they would have to hit inside the trench to do real damage. A 1000-2000lb JDAM can basically uproot trenches to great effect.

Sinnavuuty said:

U.S. military eyes mounting Western air-to-air missiles on Ukrainian MiGs

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I also read this news elsewhere. It is yet another terrible idea. Especially if they are considering using the AMRAAM on the MiG-29 like I read. There is just way too much work required to integrate a radar guided missile like the AMRAAM with Ukraine's MiG-29s. To the point you would be better off replacing the electronics altogether. Maybe it would be easier to do on the Polish MiG-29s which had Israeli electronics upgrades. Even then, why not just supply the F-16 or Gripen at that point? Trying to retrofit the AMRAAM on the MiG-29 seems like a waste of time.

gelgoog said:

I guess this is supposed to be the next Wonderwaffle. Its range is going to be limited because they cannot operate at high altitude. The whole point of these glide bombs is to, well, glide. Which they cannot do if they are dropped from low altitude. If they try to operate at high altitude they will just get shot down by Russian AD or interceptors. They are better off just using regular artillery at that point.
This seems like a fail move to me. Especially because it relies on retro-fitting aircraft that Ukraine has in limited numbers to begin with.

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It’s so weird how you spin something which is in fact a massive increase in capability of the Ukrainian Air Force as a bad thing. How the hell is increasing your capability to strike targets at range a “fail move”? China has a similar weapon.

gelgoog said:

I also read this news elsewhere. It is yet another terrible idea. Especially if they are considering using the AMRAAM on the MiG-29 like I read. There is just way too much work required to integrate a radar guided missile like the AMRAAM with Ukraine's MiG-29s. To the point you would be better off replacing the electronics altogether. Maybe it would be easier to do on the Polish MiG-29s which had Israeli electronics upgrades. Even then, why not just supply the F-16 or Gripen at that point? Trying to retrofit the AMRAAM on the MiG-29 seems like a waste of time.

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They are just probably going to do something similar to what they did with the HARMs, just fire it in the general vicinity of a suspected target and hope it picks something up. Full integration is not possible in the time frames they want and would require rewiring the entire thing.

CrazyHorse said:

It’s so weird how you spin something which is in fact a massive increase in capability of the Ukrainian Air Force as a bad thing. How the hell is increasing your capability to strike targets at range a “fail move”? China has a similar weapon.

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Rather than a bad move in on itself, is just a placebo and a waste of time and resources, and does't really offer that much of an improvemet in capabilities as the integration will be half-assed.