The War in the Ukraine

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A column of Ukrainian troops was hit by artillery as they retreat from Bakhmut. This from the ground view.

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Another footage of very muddy road filled with wrecks.

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As soon as they arrived, Emirati Panthers were deployed in Bakhmut. One was captured in Stupki already.

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According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the command headquarters of the Azov Battalion in Zaporzhyzhia was targeted by rocket artillery and destroyed.


Ukrainian ammo depot gets destroyed.

 
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SolarWarden said:
I think he means 5000 Australian Dollars which if my head math is correct comes out to......... $500 US dollars.
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Ähhhm, Nö? Overpriced for what it is.
 

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5000 Dollars be it AUD or USD each for cardboard drone fitted with apparently commercial electric motor. hmm that's kind of fishy.

can think one possible reasonable cause tho, namely. Special components, e.g proprietary multichannel Sat nav,i heard there was or is Military grade GPS receiver with 24 channels while commercial one have less. These components might be quite new and small in numbers, thus price.

That 5000 could be multiplied with 20% (typical margin) and one might find "real" production cost which about 4000 Dollars. The electronics and propulsion might account for 70% or even 90% considering the structural material of the drone.

The other reason is possible development cost, those few hundreds sent to Ukraine are early batches which still bear the development cost of the drone.
 
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Stealthflanker said:
5000 Dollars be it AUD or USD each for cardboard drone fitted with apparently commercial electric motor. hmm that's kind of fishy.

can think one possible reasonable cause tho, namely. Special components, e.g proprietary multichannel Sat nav,i heard there was or is Military grade GPS receiver with 24 channels while commercial one have less. These components might be quite new and small in numbers, thus price.

That 5000 could be multiplied with 20% (typical margin) and one might find "real" production cost which about 4000 Dollars. The electronics and propulsion might account for 70% or even 90% considering the structural material of the drone.

The other reason is possible development cost, those few hundreds sent to Ukraine are early batches which still bear the development cost of the drone.
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But realistically speaking, given the anticipated time of survival of these drones, I doubt they would actually put anything good in it. Consumer level electronics is more than what they need for their purpose. This kind of price markup on drones is not unheard of given it's
1) intended for Western military
2) targeting a group desperately needing new equipment (and most likely not funding it themselves)

Just as an example, Aeryon Labs (before being acquired by FLIR), used to make quadrotor for surveillances (police/military application) and charged them $20k+ USD, but by all metrics it was a worse product than a DJI Mavic ($2~3k USD).

If I have a military contract then I would also charge as much as what I can get away with.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
That MTLB is probably not amphibious anymore, I don't know the weight of that thing.

Strange fit but that thing can hide behing a concrete wall or datcha and lay supporting fire.
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Aiming that thing must be terrible. Naval guns are usually guided by ship radar, just welding it on to a MTLB and using mechanical aim only is basically ISIS level of innovation, furthermore with the recent post in this thread regarding a armored vehicles used as a bomb both sides are on a race to the bottom in terms of how ad-hoc they want to go.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
That MTLB is probably not amphibious anymore, I don't know the weight of that thing.

Strange fit but that thing can hide behing a concrete wall or datcha and lay supporting fire.
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Is the MT-LB really amphibious, though?.

I know its classified as one but to be honest, I've never seen one in the water plus the lack of splash shield. It can probably ford relatively deep rivers but I don't think its fully amphibious

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Naval guns are usually guided by ship radar
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the 2M-3 isn't, though. This is just your good ol' AA gun tub. They probably figured out that the ZU-23-2 usually fitted on top is too exposed for certain scenarios specially under artillery fire
 
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sheogorath said:
Is the MT-LB really amphibious, though?.

I know its classified as one but to be honest, I've never seen one in the water plus the lack of splash shield. It can probably ford relatively deep rivers but I don't think its fully amphibious
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Damn so low in water... amphibious maybe but in calm water, need probably insane pump to get the water out just with a few waves.
 
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Sinnavuuty said:
But wasn't the 1st Guards Tank Army the unit that was completely degraded (collapsed) in Kharkiv and wouldn't it take years to rebuild combat capability? What happened?
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632632159201533955
According to British intelligence, T-62 tanks allegedly began to enter service with the 1st Guards Tank Army.

In addition to mentioning the use of the BTR-50 in the SMO zone.
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