The War in the Ukraine

LawLeadsToPeace

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So much for technical explanations. I only replied to your post because it was full of errors and misinformation on the logistical and engineering aspects of war which is my field/close to my field so I thought I should correct it. Other than that I don't consider you worth the time and effort to engage. The reactions to your post suggest that it might have been a wasted effort anyway but perhaps I'm biased due to my experience and what is obvious BS is not obvious to others.
Aside from the now-removed ad-hominems that appeared in the debate, I don’t think you and @gelgoog have wasted time at all regardless of how you both view each other. There are many things like the history behind the Soviets’ railroad “troops” are definitely that are not obvious to us. Without these debates and corrections, it is easy for those who are uninformed to possibly learn the wrong thing. I can guarantee you that there are lurkers who definitely do read through this thread to understand how and why both sides are acting the way they are right now.
 

Tam

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It's not a one off either:
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My guess would be BMPT and T-72 combo in the forest of Kreminna is working out quite well. In such a team BMPT would keep firing autocannon at suspected enemy ATGM team positions to keep their heads down while tanks then take out firing positions one by one with their main gun. Given this perhaps they want as many autocannon vehicles on the front as possible and these MT-LB are the quickest way. That turret is a naval 25mm autocannon turret although the guns may be replaced with something else, they look goofy but would have very good gun elevations to engage upper story windows.

大包CG being the memelord that he is has already drawn up CGs for how you would mount an entire 051's weapon on MT-LB:
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More than just BMP-T, but plenty of videos using BMP-2, -2M, and even antique S-20 AA guns shooting off, not just in the forests of Kremenneya. Lately even the Ukrainians are shooting off from their BMP-2s. Rapid fire guns are back with a vengeance.

AA shells are HE-FRAG. You don't need a direct hit. Having them explode right over their heads can do serious damage, even take out soft skinned vehicles.

Tanks on both sides are using much drone assisted indirect shooting at max range, turning them into artillery pieces.
 

gelgoog

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This is in the direction of Poltava which is not far away from Kremenchuk, an important crossing on Dnipro. Potentially a very attractive direction for attack if Russia was capable of conducting and supporting such penetration away from railway lines. Approximately 300km which severs supply lines to all forces in Donbas. Arguably what Russia should have done instead of idiotic reckless push toward Kiyv and equally pointless grind toward Izyum.
That is real road "quality" there. Those roads are shit. Especially when you consider at least one of them is part of a road system in Kharkiv, which is Ukraine's second largest city, with 1.4 million people. As for your comment claiming Ukraine has better roads than Russia, it is ridiculous on the face of it, the Russians have spent quite a lot over the past decade modernizing their road infrastructure. So it is way less bad than it used to be in Soviet times. Compare that piece of shit Ukrainian road with the M12 Federal Highway under construction which passes through Kazan, a city in Russia with 1.2 million people.
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Good luck finding a single road in Ukraine which looks remotely like that.

Ukraine's road infrastructure is certainly not in the level of a country like Iraq which had actual proper modern roads courtesy of Saddam. For example.
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And Iraq is a country with less population than Ukraine which no one would ever claim as a developed nation.

The truck is a MAN L2000 - 7,5t class. However it has comparable ground pressure with that of a military 6x6 like Ural-4320 due to number of axles and tyre size. Actually the 6x6 is likely to have a lower figure even at double the maximum mass (15t).
Exactly. The Russians have plenty of military trucks to use if they want to use them. And their industry is not lacking in production. KAMAZ produced 44,148 civilian trucks in 2021 for example. And the sanctions did not reduce these numbers since they even managed to increase production in 2022.
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I could provide technical explanation for structural strength of the roads of various categories, the parameters of trucks etc. and how much can be carried over hard and soft surfaces but that would make for one boring off-topic and I already wasted too much time writing this. I literally do stuff like this for a living.
Roads in majority of Russia are significantly worse than those in Ukraine and Russian military trucks are designed to drive on them - which they do. The question is whether you've actually ever been in Ukraine or Russia.
Maybe Ukraine's roads look amazing by the standards of the former Eastern Block, but they would look shit in any modern country.
And sorry but even Russia's roads do not look as bad.

WW2 operations followed rail lines primarily because rail lines connected important settlements and organized all of infrastructure - including roads. Rail was heavily under-utilized by Germany because of gauge difference as well as lack of preparation. Those lines primarily served as orientation. In WW2 maps of Soviet territory were imprecise or non-existent. You stuck to what you knew so as not to get lost or stuck in enemy territory. Again - someone who has never learnt how a military mission is planned and conducted will never understand it.
So you claim. And yet the Germans even managed to operate rail based heavy artillery in Soviet territory. The fact is both sides used rail in the war, just because the Germans were much worse at it for several reasons does not mean it wasn't critical for their effort. Germany also had a critical shortage of trucks.

The damages were minor and repairs weren't a technical challenge. In fact in Japan or China it would have been done much faster because Russia's capabilities in that area are far from world's best.
Russia still beat Ukraine in infrastructure development in a long way, and that is all that matters in this conflict. And trying to compare Russia with Chinese or Japanese infrastructure metrics, which are basically the best in the world, is a bit of a stretch. The fact is the Russians do just fine. They build infrastructure faster than the US at least. Yet you seem to think they are bad at it. Well the truth is they are not. And have not been for over a decade.
 

ficker22

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Russian population pyramid shows the same dent in 18-22 due to Soviet collapse in 1990s.
True that, but Russia has no war on its soil and is not sending millions of people abroad as refugees for god knows how long. Add to that that Russia is four times as populated overall.
its a great idea, perfect for the current Ukrainian battlespace. i m happy for this engineer he deserves to make a lot of money.
Smart Idea but 5000$ for a card board RC plane?
 

tankphobia

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its a great idea, perfect for the current Ukrainian battlespace. i m happy for this engineer he deserves to make a lot of money.

Honestly for what it is, not a bad kit by any means. Waxed cardboard and rubber band makes it extremely cheap and easy to manufacture while also extremely easy to transport, you can fit thousands in a cargo container. However the meat (avionics) is probably the most expensive part and I'm not really sure what the $5000 is actually spent on.
 

baykalov

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True that, but Russia has no war on its soil and is not sending millions of people abroad as refugees for god knows how long. Add to that that Russia is four times as populated overall.
Only one third of Ukrainian refugees in EU want to return home. Of those who say they intend to return, the overwhelming majority of them will not either. The longer the conflict drags on, the fewer will return.

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drowingfish

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Honestly for what it is, not a bad kit by any means. Waxed cardboard and rubber band makes it extremely cheap and easy to manufacture while also extremely easy to transport, you can fit thousands in a cargo container. However the meat (avionics) is probably the most expensive part and I'm not really sure what the $5000 is actually spent on.
$5000 would obviously be manufacturing cost + design cost + shipping + (big) profit margins, would not be surprised if certain "administrative fees" were collected along the way too knowing how Ukraine works. the assumption is over time the price would come down if it is an effective design, especially because it is easy to replicate everywhere, the manufacturer might as well make as much money as possible now before it becomes a saturated market, or before people find out that this idea is no good. the biggest risk i can see to this is really the weather, does not look like this thing can withstand much wind or rain.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Any indication of another Mobilization by the Russians? Cause at this stage they are bound to lose this war with such a big man power disadvantage. Ukrainians are mobilizing their whole population and their total army size right now is probably greater than 500K. Compare that with Russia which only mobilized 300k, it is clear to see that Russia is severely undermanned.

Russia still has a huge stockpile of tanks, artillery and other weapons from the soviet times. They probably have 20 thousand plus tanks that they can bring out of storage. So, if Russia mobilizes like a million man army then they can still win this war.

If anyone thinks they don't need a bigger army should check the nature of this fight. It is not a Iraq 3.0 type of battle, it is more like WW2 (2.0) kind of battle with massive armies fighting with limited air superiority. Russia never achieved air superiority over Ukraine and thus cannot rely on a smaller army supported by massive air attacks.
 
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