The War in the Ukraine

Tam

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300mm of pen is enough to killl a tank turret on its side or engine compartment

Those things don't carry HEAT. Only grenades and mortars. Seen too many videos where people actually survive a grenade dropped by a quadcopter. Strapping a grenade on an FPV drone doesn't make it more lethal.
 

tankphobia

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Actually a lot of these makeshift things fail to explode for various reasons. It's the nature of being makeshift. What you see in videos are the drones terminating their flight but there's no real indication that the ordnance exploded.
It doesn't need to be explosive, a damaged UAV lithium battery leading to fire will still ground the aircraft if it hits the right spot.
 

Chancellor

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Those things don't carry HEAT. Only grenades and mortars. Seen too many videos where people actually survive a grenade dropped by a quadcopter. Strapping a grenade on an FPV drone doesn't make it more lethal.
This is incorrect. Have you seen picture I posted? Ukrainians are also dropping RKG-3 grenades too.
 

Tam

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Its fairly believable. The tank could have easily been disabled by an enemy round, driving over a mine, or mechanical issues but the ammunition stores were not hit. Because of the risk of enemy fire, no trees for concealment and a seriously wounded crew member the crew can only retreat a hundred meters until they find cover in a crater. Two days later in what is common for both sides, drones either spotting for artillery or carrying a small grenade then directed fire or dropped a charge through the hatch setting the ammunition on fire.

A huge black smoke would have been a diesel fuel burn. If left to it's devices, the fuel burn would ignite the ammunition stores soon enough.

In the case if a tank is disabled but recoverable, it won't be burning diesel for two whole days. If the tank is recoverable, it's likely it won't be burning, so you send a quadcopter to send a grenade down the hatch.

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An example of one. A Ukrainian tank being disposed of by a Russian drone by a grenade down the hatch. The tank is in recoverable condition but the crew has left the scene. The tank itself was an ex-Russian captured tank. The tank however isn't burning. If there was a fire it would have been momentarily from a mine or from other causes but it didn't ignite the fuel to create huge black smoke.
 

Tam

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This is incorrect. Have you seen picture I posted? Ukrainians are also dropping RKG-3 grenades too.

Those things have less than 220mm of penetration, optimistically. Those things won't work on a tank unless you explode it from beneath. When used against APCs they were initially effective until you start putting cages and sheets around the APCs, like you see with Mastiffs now. That's the experience from dealing with Iraqi insurgents. It ain't going to work against ERA bricks.
 

sheogorath

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300mm of pen is enough to killl a tank turret on its side or engine compartment
If it hits an acceptable angle. We have seen videos where with how light the drone is and how heavy the RPG warhead is, it drifts and hits an angle that reduces the effectiveness of the jet.

One of the early videos where it hit a BMP-3 showed the only damage it causes was at point where 30mm gun attaches to the 100mm gun.

Modified kamikaze FPV's drones might be more useful against infantry sitting on top of AFV's.
 

Tam

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It doesn't need to be explosive, a damaged UAV lithium battery leading to fire will still ground the aircraft if it hits the right spot.

Only if it manages to get inside the aircraft. Against the skin of an aircraft, don't underestimate their toughness. We have seen bullets and even 20mm shells bounce off the skin of aircraft during World War 2.
 

Rast

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A huge black smoke would have been a diesel fuel burn. If left to it's devices, the fuel burn would ignite the ammunition stores soon enough.

In the case if a tank is disabled but recoverable, it won't be burning diesel for two whole days. If the tank is recoverable, it's likely it won't be burning, so you send a quadcopter to send a grenade down the hatch.

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An example of one. A Ukrainian tank being disposed of by a Russian drone by a grenade down the hatch. The tank is in recoverable condition but the crew has left the scene. The tank itself was an ex-Russian captured tank. The tank however isn't burning. If there was a fire it would have been momentarily from a mine or from other causes but it didn't ignite the fuel to create huge black smoke.

You are right that a fuel burn would set off the ammunition before two days. I was not clear in my original reasoning. The smoke we see in the video is from a later ignition in the hypothetical situation. The tank is disabled but not on fire when the crew flees.

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it seems after being evacuated the crew stated the tank was originally disabled by a mine.
 
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sheogorath

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Seems the operational encirclement of Bakhmut has been almost completed and all routes into and out of town are under heavy russian fire


The Ukranians have blown up all the bridges in and out of the city despite Ukranian units still inside the city itself

Prigozin called out one of the commanders in the area to give up while showing some alleged captured soldiers
 
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