The War in the Ukraine

sheogorath

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Well, Vladimir Z has resorted to some additional democratic measures. Seems the temps are rising in the Ukraine by the day lately.

Having videos of Ukranian officials partying up in Paris or alpine resorts blowing up cash while on other end you see videos of Ukranian people getting dragged off the street or soldiers getting mowed down by artillery isn't great on the PR and morale aspect of the war.

Germany may have built +3500 leopard 2s but the Bundeswehr Heer only has 250-350 of them in the army. Back in 2017, they had 244 leopard 2s but only 95 were operational according to the German DOD report. Doesn’t the US army + marines have around 5000 Abrams in their own inventory.

Marines no longer have Abrams, though.
 

Nill

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Germany may have built +3500 leopard 2s but the Bundeswehr Heer only has 250-350 of them in the army. Back in 2017, they had 244 leopard 2s but only 95 were operational according to the German DOD report. Doesn’t the US army + marines have around 5000 Abrams in their own inventory.
I was more talking about production then actual numbers which considering the state of German industry at the moment the U.S again would be more logical to supply tanks.
 

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“The Russians are just sending a railway car of artillery. We just dug into our positions and they started hitting us with every calibre you can imagine. We had only 20 mortar shells for the whole battalion. The story is that there’s no Ukrainian artillery there. We can’t suppress their fire,” said Roman, a 37-year-old soldier in Ukraine’s 61st Mechanized Brigade whose unit was rotated out of Bakhmut on the weekend after two months on the front line.

He said his unit had been taking five to seven casualties a day – and not always from enemy fire. “We were standing in the trenches in minus 20, without any way to warm up. People were losing their toes and fingers.”
 

memfisa

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Is everyone resigning in Ukraine? Rumors that the prime minister is next to leave.
That would be a real shame. He had some great propaganda one liners over the last few months, had me close to blowing coffee on the screen a few times. I hope he sticks around for a bit longer at least. The lifeboats aren't even boarding yet, no need to panic
 

Nill

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Americans are adept at calculating interests.
The Ukrainian at this stage are very difficult. Their situation is very similar to KMT at the end of 1948. They pinned all their hopes on "favorable changes in the international situation" (referring to the end of the Berlin crisis, or...the full outbreak of the Third World War), seizing or abandoning cities for political needs rather than military purposes.
Only by making "investors" satisfied can they get more aid, and their finances are completely supported by American aid.
Even in the case of withdrawal, priority should be given to the location of withdrawal "whether it can receive American material assistance".

If they really want Ukraine to save the situation, they must train several complete mechanized troops in Poland or other places and supplement sufficient equipment. But now the Ukrainian approach is to send everything available to the battlefield immediately, and then be destroyed by Russia.
A large number of valuable tanks and armored vehicles were wasted in meaningless offensive operations,the only way to lure more and better support from NATO is to create some "victories" or to pretend that they are still capable of attacking.

But Americans are obviously not so generous. Too many American weapons have been proved to be worthless on the battlefield. M1 is complex and expensive. Arms dealers need to keep the myth of M1 tanks invincible. At the same time, Europe is the target of American oppression, and Germany, as one of the core of the EU, will obviously receive additional "attention".
Looking back at the entire year 2022, Germany was the non-participating country with the highest level of losses in the war.
This has nothing to do with the performance of the tank. It is purely a trap set for Germany.
I probably just watched the Syrian conflict to much and love to make comparisons but it makes me think of the Syrian opposition where they had such a focus on propaganda that they had cameras everywhere supplied by foreign backers as were their weaponry and they would make very costly choices like holding on to areas that make no sense to hold when things started to get ugly and rushing into areas to recapture then take a lot of losses. All of this would be due to trying to appease the foreign backers to get the supplies coming in, but as the losses ramped up they started losing territory faster and faster and then only in Idlib did the Turks finally decided to intervene to prevent them being wiped out.
 

pmc

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There's a lot of drama in Kiev it seems:


I'm quite sure the Black Sea Fleet will get purged in some way after the war for sinking of Moskva, but doing a purge in the middle of war doesn't strike me as a good idea.
Removing Moskova by itself is accountability. as this thing was not contributing anything except for holding up what ever crew at the time. No ability for cruise missiles to cover Ukraine.
 

sheogorath

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I was more talking about production then actual numbers which considering the state of German industry at the moment the U.S again would be more logical to supply tanks.

The US hasn't built a brand new M1 since 1996, as far as I recall. All their tank production revolves around upgrading and refiting M1A2 tanks that were previously modernized M1A1 of different types.

The only new M1's are the ones assembled from knockdown kits in Egypt.
 

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“The Russians are just sending a railway car of artillery. We just dug into our positions and they started hitting us with every calibre you can imagine. We had only 20 mortar shells for the whole battalion. The story is that there’s no Ukrainian artillery there. We can’t suppress their fire,” said Roman, a 37-year-old soldier in Ukraine’s 61st Mechanized Brigade whose unit was rotated out of Bakhmut on the weekend after two months on the front line.

He said his unit had been taking five to seven casualties a day – and not always from enemy fire. “We were standing in the trenches in minus 20, without any way to warm up. People were losing their toes and fingers.”
All these doom and gloom stories from the Ukranian front you'd think the Russians would overrun the poorly equipped AFU troops.

This somewhat confirms the meat grinder theory. Sit back and just eliminate as many as possible
 
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