The War in the Ukraine

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baykalov

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tankphobia said:
... the West is obviously permissive of Wagner, otherwise they would label them as a terrorist group which would invite harsher sanctions across all Wagner activity.
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The United States on Friday designated Russia's Wagner group as a "transnational criminal organization," raising pressure on the private Russian army fighting in Ukraine. John Kirby said the U.S. is urging other countries to target the group led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Russian oligarch and confidant of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616515906791739411

Forced mobilization in Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616859541710290945

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616848747761225729

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616864226953555968
 
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Rast

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Nill said:
Why does the Iraqi military have Abrams yet they are not supplied to Ukraine? Iraqi's would have had more experience with soviet vehicles also, As i am aware maintenance is done by u.s mechanics not iraqi's in the case of ukraine where all of the foreign equipment ends up going back out of country for repairs anyways, ukraine has operated turbine tanks with the t-80 so is the t-80 less thirsty? I doubt Abrams would be much harder to work on then a leopard 2 aside from the turbine, so with all of this i cannot see why the u.s is not atleast supply 10 like the u.k did.
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So the US ships 14 Abrams like the UK will ship 14 Challenger 2s to pressure Germany to send Leopard 2s?

If Germany only ships 14 Leopard 2s as a response, that would be pretty funny.
 
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abc123

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Biscuits said:
Dont put words in my mouth, it's not me that's not sending tanks, it's the US government.

The only thing I said is offering a plausible explanation in that they're simply needed more to fulfil America's more pressing ambitions elsewhere.
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Not saying that isn't possible, too. But IMO, US fears catastrophical Ukrainean sucess, say offensive that cuts off Russian forces in Crimea or captures Donetsk etc. That might force Putin to use nuclear weapons to stop that from happening, and that is something the US want's to avoid.
 
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I guess now we know why the US allocated money to train Ukrainian pilots on US fighters and not long ago decided to send JDAMS.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616720049540136960

This is the loadout that will be critical for Ukraine.
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Mig-29 and SU-27's with HARMS have been somewhat successful but a SEAD Viper is going to be a real hunter killer of Russian SAMs.

Maybe they'll give them the latest EW pod.
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FairAndUnbiased

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abc123 said:
Not saying that isn't possible, too. But IMO, US fears catastrophical Ukrainean sucess, say offensive that cuts off Russian forces in Crimea or captures Donetsk etc. That might force Putin to use nuclear weapons to stop that from happening, and that is something the US want's to avoid.
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I don't think "catastrophic Ukrainian success" is a worry, since the side that's winning doesn't have to do this against an army half their size:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616859541710290945
 
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Zichan

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SolarWarden said:
I guess now we know why the US allocated money to train Ukrainian pilots on US fighters and not long ago decided to send JDAMS.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616720049540136960

This is the loadout that will be critical for Ukraine.
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Mig-29 and SU-27's with HARMS have been somewhat successful but a SEAD Viper is going to be a real hunter killer of Russian SAMs.

Maybe they'll give them the latest EW pod.
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I takes a lot of training to do SEAD. Even the Europeans are pretty bad at it.
 
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supersnoop

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SolarWarden said:
I guess now we know why the US allocated money to train Ukrainian pilots on US fighters and not long ago decided to send JDAMS.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1616720049540136960

This is the loadout that will be critical for Ukraine.
View attachment 105647

Mig-29 and SU-27's with HARMS have been somewhat successful but a SEAD Viper is going to be a real hunter killer of Russian SAMs.

Maybe they'll give them the latest EW pod.
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
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If they are dragging feet on sending Tanks and supposedly did not openly send crusty MiG-29s due to risk of escalation, you think they are sending F-16 with top ECM equipment?

Use your brain
 
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