The War in the Ukraine

supersnoop said:

Your later explanation is long, but fundamentally incorrect. It is not necessary for an individual gun to perform these calculations, these will be done by the battery command post. Once gun position is properly recorded, command post can then simply bark out the bearings/elevation/propellant charges. All the additional sensors would merely provide more accurate data for firing solutions.

Similarly, command post can relay the firing coordinates as desired by the forward observer to the individual gun crew. Digital firing computer is totally not necessary to program a guided round. You can radio the coordinates and manually punch it into the fuse setter and then program the round.

So why build in fancy electronics into the gun if you can just use guided rounds on a cheap gun? Of course it is expensive in the long run to use so many guided rounds.

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I never said the individual guns need to perform the trajectory calculations. Just that the possibility exists with a computer by the gun. Whether each gun should do this or let the battery do this is a matter of doctrine for each military and not technical capability.

I don't know what fuse setter you have, but the fuse setter that the M777 uses doesn't come with a keyboard to punch in target coordinates with. It needs to be hooked up to an external electronic device to receive the data from. Could that external electronic device be portable and come with a keypad/keyboard and receive digital data from the battery? Certainly yes. At the very least you could show a picture or diagram of the system you are talking about?



I should clarify that the computer associated with the howitzer (not necessarily attached directly to the gun) can also be used for C2 purposes (i.e. receiving and responding to digital orders). The purpose is not necessarily just for collecting and sending data from the instruments on the gun.

Tracking barrel wear and manufacturer discrepencies in the propellant and projectile using a muzzle velocity radar, temperature sensor and other "electronics" applies to both guided and unguided rounds.

Column of terminators. Location and time unknown. May not even be in ukraine. But interesting drive by

Abominable said:

And? Brimstone is a ASM that for some reason has been transformed into a surface to surface missile. Converting it from an aerial platform to a ground based one defeats the whole purpose of it, what a colossal waste of money.

It has a 5kg warhead, not much in a war where 500kg warhead missiles are raining on Ukraine daily. It's basically a radar guided javelin missile with slightly longer range (10 miles) still pitifully shorter than any SRBM.

Seriously you NATO worshippers need a reality check. America could sh&t on a stick and you would worship it as a wonder weapon.

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You guys already talked about the major issues. Like how the ground launched range of Brimstone will be lower than the air launched range. i.e. it won't even be 10 miles that is for sure. And the small warhead it has which isn't any larger, and sometimes even smaller, than in an ATGM. But it has even more issues. Like the fact the launch platform isn't man portable. You need to mount it in a vehicle. You could say the main advantage is ripple volley fire of said missiles. But it remains to be seen how well this will work in practice. Does it have the proper facilities to detect different targets and distribute the missiles? Or does it just go to the nearest one? Questions, questions.

It does have the supposed advantage of not needing a laser target device someone said. I kind of doubt this is an advantage. Even the Javelin can do something like that with its sensor. At best it might have the advantage of being more robust and less finicky with batteries and cryogenic gas but that is likely all.

gelgoog said:

You guys already talked about the major issues. Like how the ground launched range of Brimstone will be lower than the air launched range. i.e. it won't even be 10 miles that is for sure. And the small warhead it has which isn't any larger, and sometimes even smaller, than in an ATGM. But it has even more issues. Like the fact the launch platform isn't man portable. You need to mount it in a vehicle. You could say the main advantage is ripple volley fire of said missiles. But it remains to be seen how well this will work in practice. Does it have the proper facilities to detect different targets and distribute the missiles? Or does it just go to the nearest one? Questions, questions.

It does have the supposed advantage of not needing a laser target device someone said. I kind of doubt this is an advantage. Even the Javelin can do something like that with its sensor. At best it might have the advantage of being more robust and less finicky with batteries and cryogenic gas but that is likely all.

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Wisdom in your words.

This system needs complex programing prior of launch, needs targeting data, and most important, how the truck get close to the tanks in the middle of nowhere?

And finally , the most important, is it possible to organise a non suicidal mission with this truck ?

A skilled/traine weapon operator needed , and they will be very vulnerable for helicopter attack.

And if there are tanks there ten there should be supporting aircrafts.

Still, the most usefull weapons of the Ukrainans is the Stugna . It is superior compared to the Brimstone based truck by every aspect.

In a few years when this is over(if we haven't nuked ourselves on the way there), when FOIA requests are made, I won't be suprised if it turns out a lot of OSINT types out there were actually getting paid by three-letter agencies to write stuff like this. Which is disappointing, and one kind of expected some of this people were actually better than this.

M777 first lost

Interesting, the first hit was done with a Kub kamikaze drone, which seems to throw out a lot of shrapnel.

It wasn't just a Kub, afterwards Russian also blanketed the area with counterbattery fire for good measure.

Looks like the drone dropped a small bomblet.

Although I wouldn’t necessarily class that as a loss since I think the guns shouldn’t be too badly damaged from such a small yield round detonating close by. You need a direct hit with such a small round to take a gun out.

The artillery fire shots don’t really show much and could be totally different footage spliced in.

Not saying the guns weren’t knocked out, but we cannot tell from that footage alone.

plawolf said:

Although I wouldn’t necessarily class that as a loss since I think the guns shouldn’t be too badly damaged from such a small yield round detonating close by. You need a direct hit with such a small round to take a gun out.

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You can see the flying wing drone diving in the first few seconds. I'm gonna guess the targets weren't the guns themselves but the crews because maybe they were trying to capture them.

But thats just speculation on my part.