Not to mention, a massive pain in the arse to transport since they are ridiculously dense and heavy after being filled with oil.
The War in the Ukraine
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Because the way western equipment is presented here is inferior and often use methaphor or superiority. I have had enough with how Russian equipment presented using terms like "superior to whatever western had" or "it has no counter". and your kind popped in using the same methods.
What is actually needed is something like famous "5W1H" formula which somewhat forgotten in realm of journalism. Now since Bradley is coming then we could start with :
What ?
What happened in Ukraine ground forces, are they got grinded or they just need more hardened battle taxi
Who ?
Who can supply the Bradley, who can maintain it in the field, who could be in charge of bringing the vehicle in.
Why ?
Why Bradley ? Why not CV-90 or anything nearby ? Why Ukraine needs Bradley ? You can elaborate from that.
When ?
When the first delivery can get through, does it airlifted or does it coming from Black Sea via Odessa or via train.
Where ?
Where likely Bradley can be deployed, does it suits the ground.
How ?
How Bradley is likely changed the Ukrainian tactics, does it allow safer more protected ATGM platform and troop transport or does it like what Col J.G Burton Described. How it will operate, does it get along with T-64 or T-72.. does it use Soviet Radio, and maybe how does it compare with BMP-2 or 3, can it swim like them or does Ukrainian no longer need IFV that can swim.
You can start from those tbh.
Not to mention M113 is almost comically small for modern times. The thing is barely bigger than a Sprinter van externally. Internal volume is not fit for a modern girls’ soccer team, let alone an infantry section.
The Bradley is roughly comparable to the BMP-3. It has a higher power engine but it is heavier and has worse mobility. Worse power to weight ratio and worse amphibious capabilities. If you look at the armor protection values on paper they are even worse than those in the BMP-3 despite it being heavier. Some versions of the Bradley might have better sensors than initial production of BMP-3, but there are BMP-3s with thermals as well. Heck, the Russians of late have even been putting thermals on the BTR-82A.
Theyre way better than m113. And bmp1.
The issue is that almost anything on the Donbass will tear them a new asshole if it hits them. In that regard it's not much different from m113 or mrap.
In terms of ergonomics, offensive power, its a large upgrade. However all that only matters if they are introduced in huge numbers and the logistics to support them exist.
The issue is that almost anything on the Donbass will tear them a new asshole if it hits them. In that regard it's not much different from m113 or mrap.
In terms of ergonomics, offensive power, its a large upgrade. However all that only matters if they are introduced in huge numbers and the logistics to support them exist.
Even tracked vehicles still have issues in the current conditions
Old remains of an Ukranian Su-24 near Izyum
Abandoned Ukranian Nona that seems to have been canibalized
Several Ukranian pontoon bridge trucks seems to have gotten hammered by artillery in Chernigov
An Ukranian 2s7 Pion seems to malfunction, probably back in summer by how green and warm everything looks
Old remains of an Ukranian Su-24 near Izyum
Abandoned Ukranian Nona that seems to have been canibalized
Several Ukranian pontoon bridge trucks seems to have gotten hammered by artillery in Chernigov
An Ukranian 2s7 Pion seems to malfunction, probably back in summer by how green and warm everything looks
Bradley are quite bad to send infantry, they don't carry a lot at all, m113 carry twice the troop. Yes they are way better in firepower and armor. But wou fight with what you have... they are using anything they have like IFV on the Ukraine side.
Good, better, worst or whatever, quantity and availability is what's important presently on the Ukrainian side. I would rater take 1000 m113 from different EU country than a couple dozen of Bradley.. More than 50 000 m113 have been build, I'm clearly surprised that they have been able to sort only a few hundred to send to Ukraine....
Broccoli
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Another failed attack by Russians in Bakhmut. No artillery or tank support.
With artillery grooming Russians sending shell the same way than spraying lawns with water, anything that can protect that aluminum carriage from shrapnel will help... like that they need a direct hit.Why would you even entrench an M113 like that?