The Snowden Affair

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broadsword

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That would make him sound more like a spy, while being American makes for more credibility in sounding like a government agent.

Also, did you watch the videos? What do you think of them?

I'm not able to access the video from my office. The crux of my reasoning is that if he is an agent of another faction, he's going to be made the scapegoat and suffer the consequences solely when he could have come out in the open more legally.
Even though I can't see the video, I don't see how it can affect my reasoning.
 

Ryz05

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I'm not able to access the video from my office. The crux of my reasoning is that if he is an agent of another faction, he's going to be made the scapegoat and suffer the consequences solely when he could have come out in the open more legally.
Even though I can't see the video, I don't see how it can affect my reasoning.

Is there such thing as revealing state secrets legally?
 

broadsword

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Is there such thing as revealing state secrets legally?

If he was working for another faction, I suppose he could expose the dirty hands of NSA, the excesses that are not tolerated, to the government, and in that case it would be legal, even if the NSA would not have of it.
 

Ryz05

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If he was working for another faction, I suppose he could expose the dirty hands of NSA, the excesses that are not tolerated, to the government, and in that case it would be legal, even if the NSA would not have of it.

Apparently, it is still illegal, or Snowden would not have to flee to another country.

if Snowden worked for the CIA, for example, then there might be connections for him to find safe haven in a place like Russia.
 

Ryz05

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So you're saying the CIA might be collaborating with Russia in this aspect.

Anything is possible if he's working for the CIA. You will need to watch the videos, to have a better understanding of where the argument for him being a government agent comes from.
 

broadsword

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Anything is possible if he's working for the CIA. You will need to watch the videos, to have a better understanding of where the argument for him being a government agent comes from.

If the idea is that he is working for the CIA against the NSA, then it is still too mind-boggling when you consider the consequence of Snowden's revelations and the damage it has done and will do to the US spying program and the country as a whole. Smells like 9/11 conspiracy all over again. If the CIA wants to work against NSA, all Snowden has to do is to let it all out to the Obama administration on the quiet.
 

MwRYum

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Is there such thing as revealing state secrets legally?

The truth is that for doing what he did, he probably broke more laws then the extradition order listed, so I never have a doubt he'd be guilty in US court, otherwise Manning should've been acquitted under the same ground.

What the US authority might be fear for, is that unless the trial can be conducted in secret (zero media coverage), the due process might expose even more stuff, stuff that currently put the US at the leading edge of the cyber-espionage game.

What the outside people like us argue about is that Snowden did the world a service in exposing the hypocrisy of US, in the end the US officials have to grudgingly admit espionage is something every nation do to everyone else's, and indirectly admit if they call China a crook under those light, the US is actually the biggest crook of all. Obviously a Nobel Peace Prize nomination for Snowden is nothing more than a farce (it's not like against China, the committee won't even dare to offend the US), but nonetheless the US got a taste of knocked down from the high horse.
 
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flyzies

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Be interesting to see if US actually follows through on this one...


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Kerry vows to put the screws to Venezuela over Snowden – report

US Secretary of State John Kerry has reportedly promised his Venezuelan counterpart to close NATO airspace to the country’s flights and stop crucial oil product deliveries if Caracas grants asylum to NSA leaker Edward Snowden.

Last Friday night, just hours after Venezuela agreed to provide political asylum to former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, Kerry personally called Venezuelan Foreign Minister Elias Jaua, a Spanish ABC media outlet cites a source familiar with the conversation as saying.

Kerry threatened to ground any Venezuelan aircraft in America’s or any NATO country’s airspace if there is the slightest suspicion that Snowden is using the flight to get to Caracas.

The US’ top diplomat sent a clear signal that Venezuela’s Air Force One is not immune and President Nicolas Maduro could easily face the same fate as his Bolivian counterpart Evo Morales, whose plane was grounded for inspection in Austria earlier this month in violation of all international diplomatic agreements.

“Immunity is for the president, not the plane,” the ABC source cites Kerry’s personal message to President Maduro as saying.

Closing all NATO member countries’ aerospace to Venezuelan flights means avoiding 26 countries in Europe and two in North America. Under this scenario, it would be safer for Snowden to fly across the Pacific from Russia’s Far Eastern city of Vladivostok instead of crossing the Atlantic.

Kerry also promised to intensify the ongoing process of revoking US entry visas to Venezuelan officials and businessmen associated with the deceased President Hugo Chavez.

Washington will also begin prosecuting prominent Venezuelan politicians on allegations of drug trafficking, money laundering and other criminal actions, Kerry reportedly said, and specifically mentioned some names in his conversation with the Venezuelan FM.

He further said that Washington is well aware of Venezuela’s dependence on the US when it comes to refined oil products. Despite being one of the world’s largest oil producers, Venezuela requires more petrol and oil products than it can produce, buying around 500,000 barrels of gasoline every month, roughly another half million barrels of fuel for power plants, and some 350,000 barrels of MTBE (Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether) – the additive used for to increase octane in gasoline.

The US Secretary of State bluntly warned that fuel supplies would be halted if President Maduro continues to reach out to the fugitive NSA contractor.

Neither the US State Department nor the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry have so far commented on ABC’s report.

On July 19 President Maduro sharply criticized a statement by the Obama administration's nominee for UN envoy, Samantha Powers, who accused countries like Cuba, Iran, Russia and Venezuela of being guilty of a “crackdown on civil society”. Maduro called on Washington to retract the “despicable” statement.

“I want an immediate correction by the US government,” Maduro said live on state television, as quoted by Reuters.

“Power says she'll fight repression in Venezuela? What repression? There is repression in the United States, where they kill African-Americans with impunity, and where they hunt the youngster Edward Snowden just for telling the truth,” Maduro fumed.

Former CIA technician and NSA contractor Snowden remains a fugitive without a passport, as he has remained stuck in Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport for nearly a month. Snowden requested temporary asylum from Russia and has not officially accepted Maduro's asylum offer, WikiLeaks says.

If extradited to the US, where Showden is wanted on espionage charges, he fears he could face inhumane treatment and even the death penalty for leaking details of the National Security Agency’s dragnet surveillance programs.
 

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Looks like the Merkel government were complicit in the US spying program on EU citizens, I wonder how this will effect the German elections, would a new party even make a difference?

Should the the Christian democrat party and its members be prosecuted or the whole German government and its intelligence agencies? Since this is essentially aiding American industrial espionage
 
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