The Snowden Affair

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Jeff Head

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The financial trouble didn't begin with the mortgage scandal. The FED has been blowing bubbles at least since Allan Greenspan became its president in 1987.
Of course there have been and remain other economic woes, one of the biggest is the creation of vast amounts of faux capitol and currency out of thin air, but the lynchpin that brought the economy down in 2008-2009 was the mortgage crisis...which extended into the markets because the banks knew good and well that the mortgages they were forced to make were bad and so sold them off to investors who split them up like stock. When it cought up with them, all of that came down.
 

MwRYum

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When you give the government too much power, this is what happens.

But if you don't give the government enough power, then it'd such an invalid that the nation is effectively run by tycoons who'd suck blood from the masses while they get fat and rich, verifying what Karl Marx proclaimed in Das Kapital.

So "how much is enough" is the million dollar question of all times, and one that still not well answered.

Mankind is susceptible to corruption by power, not even a democratic system can prevent that...perhaps if a nation runs by an AI might be the solution.
 
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flyzies

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Surprise surprise! Who could've ever saw this coming...?

Full article at the link.

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Revealed: how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages
• Secret files show scale of Silicon Valley co-operation on Prism
• Outlook.com encryption unlocked even before official launch
• Skype worked to enable Prism collection of video calls
• Company says it is legally compelled to comply

Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.

The documents show that:

• Microsoft helped the NSA to circumvent its encryption to address concerns that the agency would be unable to intercept web chats on the new Outlook.com portal;

• The agency already had pre-encryption stage access to email on Outlook.com, including Hotmail;

• The company worked with the FBI this year to allow the NSA easier access via Prism to its cloud storage service SkyDrive, which now has more than 250 million users worldwide;

• Microsoft also worked with the FBI's Data Intercept Unit to "understand" potential issues with a feature in Outlook.com that allows users to create email aliases;

• In July last year, nine months after Microsoft bought Skype, the NSA boasted that a new capability had tripled the amount of Skype video calls being collected through Prism;

• Material collected through Prism is routinely shared with the FBI and CIA, with one NSA document describing the program as a "team sport".

The latest NSA revelations further expose the tensions between Silicon Valley and the Obama administration. All the major tech firms are lobbying the government to allow them to disclose more fully the extent and nature of their co-operation with the NSA to meet their customers' privacy concerns. Privately, tech executives are at pains to distance themselves from claims of collaboration and teamwork given by the NSA documents, and insist the process is driven by legal compulsion.

In a statement, Microsoft said: "When we upgrade or update products we aren't absolved from the need to comply with existing or future lawful demands." The company reiterated its argument that it provides customer data "only in response to government demands and we only ever comply with orders for requests about specific accounts or identifiers".
 

broadsword

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Surprise surprise! Who could've ever saw this coming...?

Not me! When they shared the internet with the rest of the world, there had to be a catch. Google's defiance against China was telling us something. What struck a nerve in me was their politicians and especially their media peddling the message that China was the boogie man in practically everything.
 

MwRYum

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Not me! When they shared the internet with the rest of the world, there had to be a catch. Google's defiance against China was telling us something. What struck a nerve in me was their politicians and especially their media peddling the message that China was the boogie man in practically everything.

And as it turns out, the United Stasi of America is the biggest boogie man of all...oooooh, surprise! No wonder the US officials "suddenly" dropped all their cyber-related anti-China punchline now.

In any case, at the very least people will need to think twice the next time they do video chat over Skype or Facetime butt-naked, because depend on "content" they either make an NSA contractor cross-eyed or reach for the vomit bag.
 

leibowitz

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And as it turns out, the United Stasi of America is the biggest boogie man of all...oooooh, surprise! No wonder the US officials "suddenly" dropped all their cyber-related anti-China punchline now.

In any case, at the very least people will need to think twice the next time they do video chat over Skype or Facetime butt-naked, because depend on "content" they either make an NSA contractor cross-eyed or reach for the vomit bag.

Would be amusing if people on the NSA target list started sharing files with metadata similar to the "right" parameters but whose content was the goatse jpg or endless gifs of the Rusty Trombone/Cleveland Steamer.
 

solarz

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Would be amusing if people on the NSA target list started sharing files with metadata similar to the "right" parameters but whose content was the goatse jpg or endless gifs of the Rusty Trombone/Cleveland Steamer.

Considering that you can encrypt messages in images, this is a viable idea!

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advill

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I don't think the US has given up on China's hacking of the US - American/ VP Biden's brought this matter up again 2 days ago. Anyway, we all know this kind of intrusions take place by major Intelligence Services of countries , except the NSA this time showed its weakness in getting "caught with its pants down". China, Russia & Israel know how to ensure their secrets remain secret (so far) thru' the use of various safeguards & methods. BTW, it was reported that the Russians are currently buying many typewriters to prevent leakages, now quite easily done electronically by disgruntled/frustrated "so called do-gooders " like Snowden. BTW, the moral of the story to note: "Those who laugh last laugh first" and that goes for the present situation, and similar stories will crop up in future - to the dilemmas by the countries effected.



And as it turns out, the United Stasi of America is the biggest boogie man of all...oooooh, surprise! No wonder the US officials "suddenly" dropped all their cyber-related anti-China punchline now.

In any case, at the very least people will need to think twice the next time they do video chat over Skype or Facetime butt-naked, because depend on "content" they either make an NSA contractor cross-eyed or reach for the vomit bag.
 

MwRYum

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I don't think the US has given up on China's hacking of the US - American/ VP Biden's brought this matter up again 2 days ago. Anyway, we all know this kind of intrusions take place by major Intelligence Services of countries , except the NSA this time showed its weakness in getting "caught with its pants down". China, Russia & Israel know how to ensure their secrets remain secret (so far) thru' the use of various safeguards & methods. BTW, it was reported that the Russians are currently buying many typewriters to prevent leakages, now quite easily done electronically by disgruntled/frustrated "so called do-gooders " like Snowden. BTW, the moral of the story to note: "Those who laugh last laugh first" and that goes for the present situation, and similar stories will crop up in future - to the dilemmas by the countries effected.

The difference now is that everyone now acknowledge that it's something everyone do against everyone else, so maybe the US will keep fret about it now and then but it won't be as shamelessly as it was "pre-Snowden", in a way Edward Snowden did the Chinese a huge favour by knocking the US off the high horse - sure the Uncle Sam will get back onto the saddle most Ricky-tick, but now he's covered in mud and crap, along with bruised pride. If China really want to rub it in against the US, they should seriously consider issuing Snowden a medal...but it ain't the bygone days of 30 years ago so it won't happen.
 
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