The relation between China and the neighboring country

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THE UNITED STATES CAN ONLY ACHIEVE AI DOMINANCE WITH ITS ALLIES

For companies like Google and Facebook, the competition to amass data is not between the digital activities of 330 million Americans against the virtual footprint of over one billion Chinese citizens. Instead, their products hold near-monopolies in the United States, Europe, Latin America, Africa, and most of Asia. In contrast, Chinese equivalents like
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have only a handful of non-Chinese users. This global reach gives American technology companies an advantage both in the total volume of data they collect and in the diversity of data harvested. Chinese data sets, for now, are still largely blind to conditions outside of China. AI algorithms trained on those data sets would struggle to travel outside its borders.

The success of American technology companies illustrates the most promising path for the U.S. military to pursue at the dawn of its own AI age.

The United States counts most industrialized nations as military allies and equipment manufactured by the United States or its NATO allies is driven and flown around the world. The United States could seek deeper integration and cooperation with its allies who have unique resources to advance specific applications of AI. Many, including the
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, have called for the United States to leverage its existing “Five Eyes” alliance and extend it to include cooperation in AI. A complementary approach might be to focus on partners who have unique technical assets to contribute. For example, East Asian allies such as Japan and South Korea have invested heavily in robotics and automation, which makes them attractive partners for developing more capable drones and other autonomous vehicles.

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Interesting comments on r/geopolitics about how India's position towards China has changed:

"India most definitely was neutral. For years India and China had a robust border conflict resolution mechanism with both countries taking pride in the "no bullet fired since 1967." India mostly always abstained from votes targeting China at the UN, including the Hong Kong stuff. India remained apprehensive about the Quad until the border conflicts of recent times.

If nothing, India, a strong proponent and founder of the non aligned movement, has now moved closer to the US than ever before, a significant shift brought about recently, solely due to China. If India was never neutral this would have happened much earlier."

China has pushed India into the Quad.

"India was skeptical of China since they have competing territorial claims - but the two were rapidly warming to each other and Indians including myself believed that Chinese, being rational, could be convinced to supporting Pakistani terror groups through a mix of carrot and stick policies of increased economic opportunities in our relations and international shaming for their defense of obvious terrorist activity. Meanwhile India could walk the tightrope and attract investments from both the West and China but lean towards Russia and the West for defense collaboration. Chinese smartphone makers manufacture PCBs and displays in India and ate highly regarded - and people were looking forward to Chinese electric vehicles.

Now there are no takers for that position."

China has destroyed the long term plans of its tech companies and electric vehicle makers in the market.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
Interesting comments on r/geopolitics about how India's position towards China has changed:

"India most definitely was neutral. For years India and China had a robust border conflict resolution mechanism with both countries taking pride in the "no bullet fired since 1967." India mostly always abstained from votes targeting China at the UN, including the Hong Kong stuff. India remained apprehensive about the Quad until the border conflicts of recent times.

If nothing, India, a strong proponent and founder of the non aligned movement, has now moved closer to the US than ever before, a significant shift brought about recently, solely due to China. If India was never neutral this would have happened much earlier."

China has pushed India into the Quad.
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QUAD lacks a headquarters, an elected secretariat, a commonly agreed constitution, regularly summits between heads of state, regularly military exercises, or even a basic website.

QUAD is a weaker format than even Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) which has all the attributes I listed above, and which India is part of.

When the QUAD gets the Presidents of the four countries together, and a basic website, then let me know about the scary "QUAD".
 
manqiangrexue

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gadgetcool5 said:
China has destroyed the long term plans of its tech companies and electric vehicle makers in the market.
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Your article is an admittance of weakness by the United States. Since when has America ever whimpered that it cannot go it alone? Since China stepped up. Does it mean it can achieve these goals with a few lackies? It wants to believe so, but if anything, this is just a desperate plea for help from a waning superpower that knows it can only wait to be outdone by China. Chinese STEM power (in quality and quantity) is supreme and forever unified, more powerful and cohesive than anything America can ever temporarily piece together from the scraps around the world.

China's tech companies and EV makers are expanding both on the market and in their technologies faster than ever before. Your statement is uneducated and a failed attempt to turn up into down and down into up. It has never and will never work.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
Interesting comments on r/geopolitics about how India's position towards China has changed:

"India most definitely was neutral. For years India and China had a robust border conflict resolution mechanism with both countries taking pride in the "no bullet fired since 1967." India mostly always abstained from votes targeting China at the UN, including the Hong Kong stuff. India remained apprehensive about the Quad until the border conflicts of recent times.

If nothing, India, a strong proponent and founder of the non aligned movement, has now moved closer to the US than ever before, a significant shift brought about recently, solely due to China. If India was never neutral this would have happened much earlier."

China has pushed India into the Quad.

"India was skeptical of China since they have competing territorial claims - but the two were rapidly warming to each other and Indians including myself believed that Chinese, being rational, could be convinced to supporting Pakistani terror groups through a mix of carrot and stick policies of increased economic opportunities in our relations and international shaming for their defense of obvious terrorist activity. Meanwhile India could walk the tightrope and attract investments from both the West and China but lean towards Russia and the West for defense collaboration. Chinese smartphone makers manufacture PCBs and displays in India and ate highly regarded - and people were looking forward to Chinese electric vehicles.

Now there are no takers for that position."

China has destroyed the long term plans of its tech companies and electric vehicle makers in the market.
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Reminds me of Sikkim in 2017, when Indians were gung-ho nationalist over another border dispute in China, chest-thumping about how glorious leader Modi can nuke China. Two years later, they all but forgot about it lmao.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
Interesting comments on r/geopolitics about how India's position towards China has changed:

"India most definitely was neutral. For years India and China had a robust border conflict resolution mechanism with both countries taking pride in the "no bullet fired since 1967." India mostly always abstained from votes targeting China at the UN, including the Hong Kong stuff. India remained apprehensive about the Quad until the border conflicts of recent times.
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Since 1967, India had not been static politically and economically. Neither had been the US.
 
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Your article is an admittance of weakness by the United States. Since when has America ever whimpered that it cannot go it alone? Since China stepped up. Does it mean it can achieve these goals with a few lackies? It wants to believe so, but if anything, this is just a desperate plea for help from a waning superpower that knows it can only wait to be outdone by China. Chinese STEM power (in quality and quantity) is supreme and forever unified, more powerful and cohesive than anything America can ever temporarily piece together from the scraps around the world.

China's tech companies and EV makers are expanding both on the market and in their technologies faster than ever before. Your statement is uneducated and a failed attempt to turn up into down and down into up. It has never and will never work.
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America has never gone it alone.

World War I: The beginning of the American Century. Was America alone? No, it joined the Entente Powers, including Britain, France, Japan, Italy and Russia. America joined the largest coalition with bigger population, economic, technology against the smaller one (Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire e.g., Central Powers).

World War II: The beginning of the American superpower. Was America alone? No, it joined the Allied Powers, including dozens of countries all over the world but especially Britain, France, the Soviet Union, and China. Again, America joined the largest coalition with bigger population, economy, and technology against the smaller one (Germany, Italy, and Japan, e.g. Axis Powers).

Cold War: The beginning of the American unilateral world system. Was America alone? No, it had the entire Western Bloc behind it, including Britain, France, Italy, West Germany, Japan, and Canada. America again led the largest coalition with bigger economy than the Soviet Bloc. By the 1980s the Western Bloc also had better technology and bigger population, since China was closer to the Western Bloc at that time.

An analysis of American power shows that it has never gone alone, rather, its entire power basis has always been its alliance system, and the fact that it is part of the larger Bloc. This is how it has come to defeat all challengers: Reich Germany, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and Japan.

Again, that is the case today. America is in a Bloc with the EU, Japan, Australia, SK, Taiwan, and India, going against China, Russia and Pakistan. Again the American bloc is bigger in economy, military spending, technology and population. China is smaller. Same as before.

Notion that America has declined is a myth. It is still 20%-25% of the world economy same as always. It has by far the world's largest and deepest financial markets. It has the world' most advanced technology and most spending on basic & applied research. Along with its allies, it has by far the most overall R&D spending.

America is continually advancing all the time, with the NASDAQ technology index up 22% just this year (despite the pandemic) and companies like Apple and Amazon double their value in the past 2 years alone.

Companies like SpaceX achieving new things every year.

America is still on top and the notion that it is in decline is a costly mistake. If China truly wants to challenge the US it must gain more friends and allies, deepen existing alliances, & seek better relations with other countries.
 
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Like they say in politic there is no friend but interest. US cannot quarantine China unless Asia join in. But right now everybody in Asia know that US in decline and China is on ascendancy Just look at the economy SEA, Korea and Japan are China largest trade partner. Where economy lead politic will follow. So there you go about the notion of ganging up against China.

This is the most important part all along East Asia now people travel, study, work and form family across national boundary this is new never happened before!
It’s even possible that closer people-to-people contacts between Japan and China will eventually
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in tandem with generational change and thereby improve each country’s low public opinion of the other. Indeed, evidence is now appearing of Chinese public attitudes to Japan starting to warm.

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gadgetcool5 said:
America has never gone it alone.

World War I: The beginning of the American Century. Was America alone? No, it joined the Entente Powers, including Britain, France, Japan, Italy and Russia. America joined the largest coalition with bigger population, economic, technology against the smaller one (Germany, Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire e.g., Central Powers).

World War II: The beginning of the American superpower. Was America alone? No, it joined the Allied Powers, including dozens of countries all over the world but especially Britain, France, the Soviet Union, and China. Again, America joined the largest coalition with bigger population, economy, and technology against the smaller one (Germany, Italy, and Japan, e.g. Axis Powers).

Cold War: The beginning of the American unilateral world system. Was America alone? No, it had the entire Western Bloc behind it, including Britain, France, Italy, West Germany, Japan, and Canada. America again led the largest coalition with bigger economy than the Soviet Bloc. By the 1980s the Western Bloc also had better technology and bigger population, since China was closer to the Western Bloc at that time.

An analysis of American power shows that it has never gone alone, rather, its entire power basis has always been its alliance system, and the fact that it is part of the larger Bloc. This is how it has come to defeat all challengers: Reich Germany, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, and Japan.

Again, that is the case today. America is in a Bloc with the EU, Japan, Australia, SK, Taiwan, and India, going against China, Russia and Pakistan. Again the American bloc is bigger in economy, military spending, technology and population. China is smaller. Same as before.

Notion that America has declined is a myth. It is still 20%-25% of the world economy same as always. It has by far the world's largest and deepest financial markets. It has the world' most advanced technology and most spending on basic & applied research. Along with its allies, it has by far the most overall R&D spending.

America is continually advancing all the time, with the NASDAQ technology index up 22% just this year (despite the pandemic) and companies like Apple and Amazon double their value in the past 2 years alone.

Companies like SpaceX achieving new things every year.

America is still on top and the notion that it is in decline is a costly mistake. If China truly wants to challenge the US it must gain more friends and allies, deepen existing alliances, & seek better relations with other countries.
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How much "friends and allies" has the US gain from all of their regime changing efforts from Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria lately? If America is that great why are they so nervous and jealous about China rising?

Here's a good video about why the Western media lies about China.

 
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