The Korean war

When the Korean War started, Mao Zedong immediately dispatched several Army troops to the China - North Korea border, known as border guards, once they are in China's civil war, the fighting in the region over the forces, but also elite troops.

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Mao relocated forces originally meant for the invasion of Taiwan to the northeast after the US 7th Fleet started patrolling the Taiwan Strait in June, making any invasion attempt impossible.

to my knowledge China sent troops to Korea, not after Mao Zedong met with Stalin.

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Stalin actually contacted Mao on October 5-7, warning of the possibility of US-Japan forces on the Chinese border. He also promised the USSR would "stand [behind] its ally."

With the North Korea military was defeated, Pyongyang was occupied, Kim Il-sung, fled into the mountains north of the border, Mao Zedong's request to send troops, after a night of consideration, Mao ordered border forces quietly went into North Korea border mountains area, and hiding there. While the UN troops in the northern mountain area combat with the residual North Korea troops , the Chinese army is also involved in a small-scale fighting, but the U.S. military not know.
the fighting subsided for a period of time that Mark arthur thought the North Korean army already have all escaped, but 300,000 chinese troops hiding in the north mountain area of North Korea, waiting for the opportunity, there is also commander Peng Dehuai plan military operations in this mountain area.

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One of the major goals of Kim Il Sung's invasion was to try and make his communist regime strong enough to break away from Chinese influence. He got plenty of armaments from Stalin, but refused Chinese help until the situation became hopeless in mid-September. He hated the idea that he would need to rely on his huge neighbour, why do you think there is so little official credit given to the hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers who died in North Korea? It's only mentioned when a Chinese leader visits every so often.

When the UN forces large-scale entered to the north mountain area of North Korea, the Chinese army launched a military offensive to the UN troops, while Chinese army from China entered to North Korea, from northwest to southeast direction attack UN troops,with the hiding northern mountains of Chinese army operation, UN troops were surrounded and separated,
All of these occurre and Mao Zedong visited Soviet Union almost the same time, it is difficult to distinguish the right time,after Mao Zedong return to China the war officially announced.

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Mao hesitated when Stalin suddenly withdrew his promised "full support" in favour of limited support (ie. air support no closer than 100km from the front, which is basically no air support).

Mao made his decision on Oct 13, and the first Chinese volunteers moved in between Oct. 16-19, delayed because of lack of forthcoming air support. The first contact between Chinese and US/UN forces was made on Oct. 25, the first Chinese POW captured on Oct. 26. Amazingly, Macarthur refused to heed the evidence that China was preparing to intervene and continued to drive towards the Yalu, which meant his forces would be far from their southern bases and stretched out in poor terrain. Major combat began on Nov. 26.

re Spike:
After the beginning of the Korean War, Mao Zedong to the repatriation of several corps of Northeast China, comprising the northeast frontier guards, which is a reality in China's official commemoration of the Korean War 50th anniversary of the film documentary, referred to the very beginning, it is to China's national security , but you actually think it is preparing to invade Korea, the Taiwan side also steered to the invasion, it is ridiculous.
Let me tell you the composition of these forces-it: They are the PLA 38th Armycorp, 39th Armycorp, 40th and 42tharmycorp, artiller first Division, the Second Division, the 8th division, a antiaircraft artillery regiments, a workers Corps, a total of 250,000 people.
The above information, you can <Lin Biao and Mao Zedong> find inside this book sound.
Do you think that Mao Zedong to invade Taiwan, but would not make such a decision, this is only your personal political views, it can not be used to prove the occurrence of history, you committed a mistake in principle, in fact, 250,000 people, compared to the time 400 PLA million, it is only a small number of Taiwan war does not affect operations.
When Pyongyang was occupied, Kim Il-sung, fled to China - North Korea border in the mountains, North Korea army less than 30,000 people, or Is this an impasse? Remember, Pyongyang was occupied, is October 19, the official China and the UN military operations is on October 25, it is during this period of time, Kim Il Sung request Mao Zedong to send troops, and also wrote a letter to Mao Zedong, Mao make a decision in the next day, with other Chinese leaders to discuss his decision and the letter referred to the content of these, in China's film documentary inside, we can see that the Kim Il Sung personally original handwriting.
But you said that a lot of the Kim Il-sung could not want help from China's so-called reasons, those that reason, is the rule your personal political views, using personal political viewpoints to imagine history, but not to verify that you committed mistakes in principle again.
China several months before the dispatch of troops, Zhou Enlai, warned the US, not by leaps and bounds line north latitud 38 degrees, otherwise, China will send troops to the war, but US did not care about. China has been considering the issue of sending troops, I mentioned that a night of Mao Zedong only the final decision, I am not writing a book, I just wrote a short article post, but you also add a lot of personal political views, what victims of millions of Chinese people's lives, you have the principle recidivism mistake again.
Well, I also discuss political views it, but I was about history. China from the Tang dynasty, which has been fighting for Korea, including the Ming dynasty, the Qing dynasty, the Korean victims of Japanese aggression, China would send troops to the war, the Ming Dynasty, has sent 100,000 army and the large number of warships, to the Korean and Japanese operations, defeated the Japanese. government of the Qing Dynasty in 1898, debilitating, it is still sending troops to the Korean war, but failed, the subsequent loss of Korea. why China has been fighting for Korea because Korea has a bearing on China's national security, deeply aware that the history of China's Mao Zedong, the last in the Korean critical juncture, because the situation changes so rapidly, it made a resolute decision, which is Suitable of China's advantage,if you like this, no decision , but also think about what Taiwan war, the history of China today and you may rewrite.
last,verify about history,you and me just show both different copies because we got the knowledge from different way, self opinion just for viewing history.

Also, I should correct that the the person who visited Soviet Union is Zhou Enlai,not Mao Zedong, most people know this.my English is poor,the statement in post by copy, after done, I didn' not re-examine it again, I write a comment in post it is very difficult, this is a mistake here, I would like to apologize.

Spike said:

To my knowledge, the Chinese political leadership didn't expect the Korean War to be a cakewalk; they had no illusions about the strength of American military power. Apparently, Mao paced his study for sixty hours before finally rolling the dice; this was after Stalin had continuously prodded him and promised air support (which never came).

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The problem was that the PVA had overestimated its own fighting ability and underestimated the ability of firepower to make up for much of the inferior fighting ability of many UN troops. The PVA, forced by its own circumstances to have to do without much in the way of Heavy Weapons, was actually compelled by those same circumstances to play to the UN Forces' strengths; thus the PRC's strength in high-quality Infantry was matched against the UN strength in high-quality Artillery, and the matching of the two strengths ultimately led to effective stalemate. From A Historical Perspective on Light Infantry by Scott R. McMichael:



"Understanding this philosophy is central to understanding how and why the Chinese operated as they did in the Korean War. The expression "man over weapons" was not an empty slogan. The CCF's leadership and its soldiers firmly believed that by exploiting their superior human capabilities they would inevitably achieve success over the machine-burdened UN Command. This doctrine, they believed, had a certain moral strength to it, a spiritual power that guaranteed ascendancy on the battlefield. Furthermore, the Chinese were firmly convinced that when it came to soldiering-to the unyielding discipline and sacrifice required of men in combat-that the American and ROK soldiers were no match for them. Certainly, the early successes of the CCF reinforced its ideas that weapons did not count and that men did." (Chapter 2, Part I, Page 53).

maozedong, no need to apologize; you make your points very clearly even if your English is a little rough and arranged in Chinese sentence-order.

Yes, the PRC had sent warnings to be heard by the Americans, but through a combination of misunderstanding the ways of Chinese diplomacy and simply not believing that China would actually intervene against the US, and underestimating the PRC's will and ability to do so, led of course to the defeat of UN Forces in North Korea and the subsequent crossing of the PVA into South Korea in pursuit of the UN Forces.

That said, given the ultimate outcome of the Korean War and the losses on both sides, it seems that the chief benefactors were the North Korean leadership; everyone else footed the bill for their ambitions.

ahho said:

well from a film that i watched, it was mao's idea to help the korean while most of his associate dissagreed with him. So if mao did not perceived US attack on China then they wouldn't have attack.

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Donald D. Spence wrote The Search for Modern China, a fantastic book about the lat 500 years of China. He used a lot of Chinese documents to write his book. There's a strong and vivid description about Mao and his staff asking Kim Il sung to not attack the South. To be fair, McArthur was projecting a guerrilla war against China using nationalist troops from Taiwan.

Cheers

Pepe

maozedong said:

re Spike:
Do you think that Mao Zedong to invade Taiwan, but would not make such a decision, this is only your personal political views, it can not be used to prove the occurrence of history, you committed a mistake in principle, in fact, 250,000 people, compared to the time 400 PLA million, it is only a small number of Taiwan war does not affect operations.
When Pyongyang was occupied, Kim Il-sung, fled to China - North Korea border in the mountains, North Korea army less than 30,000 people, or Is this an impasse? Remember, Pyongyang was occupied, is October 19, the official China and the UN military operations is on October 25, it is during this period of time, Kim Il Sung request Mao Zedong to send troops, and also wrote a letter to Mao Zedong, Mao make a decision in the next day, with other Chinese leaders to discuss his decision and the letter referred to the content of these, in China's film documentary inside, we can see that the Kim Il Sung personally original handwriting.
But you said that a lot of the Kim Il-sung could not want help from China's so-called reasons, those that reason, is the rule your personal political views, using personal political viewpoints to imagine history, but not to verify that you committed mistakes in principle again.
China several months before the dispatch of troops, Zhou Enlai, warned the US, not by leaps and bounds line north latitud 38 degrees, otherwise, China will send troops to the war, but US did not care about. China has been considering the issue of sending troops, I mentioned that a night of Mao Zedong only the final decision, I am not writing a book, I just wrote a short article post, but you also add a lot of personal political views, what victims of millions of Chinese people's lives, you have the principle recidivism mistake again.

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The statements were actually gleaned from respected scholars of history, who base their arguments upon solid records, including Soviet ones which have been recently opened up. I assure you they are definitely not products of my imagination.

If you want my sources I can refer you to them.

Norfolk said:

The problem was that the PVA had overestimated its own fighting ability and underestimated the ability of firepower to make up for much of the inferior fighting ability of many UN troops.

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Apparently Mao was pushed to his decision by his generals, namely Peng Dehuai and Gao Gang. So perhaps the political leadership (ie. Mao and Zhou Enlai) was more cautious than the military. Ironically this mirrored the American situation in some respects.

peperez said:

Donald D. Spence wrote The Search for Modern China, a fantastic book about the lat 500 years of China. He used a lot of Chinese documents to write his book. There's a strong and vivid description about Mao and his staff asking Kim Il sung to not attack the South. To be fair, McArthur was projecting a guerrilla war against China using nationalist troops from Taiwan.

Cheers

Pepe

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It's Jonathan D. Spence. But yes that book is a great introduction to modern Chinese history.

Spike said:

It's Jonathan D. Spence. But yes that book is a great introduction to modern Chinese history.

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I know that! I think a name and wrote another! At that moment I was working and reading the forum at the same time!

Cheers


Pepe

A pair of interesting sources on how the PVA fought in Korea, and going into some specifics on tactics and related matter:



This document focuses especially upon minor-unit-level tactics and matters.



This document goes into particulars on how the PVA Rifle Squad moved in the Offense, amongst other matters.

Both of these complement Chapter 2 of , by adding quite a bit more depth and detail.

Nice find. Thanks.

If you look at South Korea and compare with North you know who really won that war, I wish China never entered that war because today the whole Korean Peninusla would have been one big massive economic powerhouse.

I hold China respondsible for creation of a lunatic country like North Korea and it is its responsibility to help North Koreans get ride of that lunatic leader kimmy.