The Kashmir conflict 2025.

4Runner

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siegecrossbow said:
The problem is that the Indian military serves the purpose of BJP propaganda nowadays. Modi had a large hand in the military reform as well as Rafale acquisition. Admitting fault means hurting political legitimacy. There is also the importance of being seen as a legitimate military counterweight to China as a way to attract Western support and investment.
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I agree with this assessment. Yet look at India in 1955 Bandung Conference and today. In 1955, India was the undisputed leader of "global south". Today, as India is sliding further to the west, India is no longer a viable competitor for the perceived "leader of global south". In the end, it is Modi BJP that is digging its grave for its superpower ambition. If India were following Manmohan Singh and adopting Deng's 16-word Instruct, it would have been in a much stronger standing today.
 
crazyinsane105

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AndrewJ said:
Attention: The conventional war may be over. But the separatist war is just beginning.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922998776597266503
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Yawwwwn.

BLA has a few thousand fighters, at most. They are sandwiched between two countries that do not like them, far away from support that India can provide. A bunch of social media posts promoting the idea of an independent Balochistan lives on social media alone. Did you even see the decree posted by them? These fools are asking the United Nations to deploy peacekeepers to the region

Reality is that Balochistan is an underdeveloped province and some locals have resorted to picking up arms against the federal government, but BLA doesn’t enjoy massive support. They resort to thuggery and intimidation and utilize opium coming from Afghanistan as their main source of income. Pakistan hasn’t even deployed a significant military presence to deal with them, mostly because this isn’t a military issue but a socioeconomic one. If it was truly a military issue, both Pakistan and Iran would cooperate to put down any significant rebellion like they’ve done in the past
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
That is not possible. In the next decade, PAF will likely have access to J-35s, for which India will have no answer. India should stop engaging in senseless provocations towards its neighbors and focus on national development.


I mentioned multiple times that India should be trying to acquire Su-57s, but I still think J-35s should have a significant edge, given Chinese advantages in stealth, sensor, and electronics technology.
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I think it would be better if there was an understanding that China won't provide J-35s unless the balance of power really shifts against Pakistan. That would mean no J-35s until India is on the cusp of its own stealth fighter deployment.

If China does transfer J-35s to Pakistan, it will just reinforce the Pakistan-India arms race dynamic.
That means both will end up spending more on the military, rather than on domestic economic development.
And it will accelerate India's drive to obtain stealth fighters, which means buying the F-35 or Su-57.

They both still have too many desperately poor. And in the case of India, child malnutrition has somehow been getting worse if you look at the past 5, 10 or 15 years. That is kind of shocking considering India posted decent growth rates during these time periods.

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China doesn't really get much out of exporting J-35s anyway, because there are just too few potential customers.
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
Yawwwwn.

BLA has a few thousand fighters, at most. They are sandwiched between two countries that do not like them, far away from support that India can provide. A bunch of social media posts promoting the idea of an independent Balochistan lives on social media alone. Did you even see the decree posted by them? These fools are asking the United Nations to deploy peacekeepers to the region

Reality is that Balochistan is an underdeveloped province and some locals have resorted to picking up arms against the federal government, but BLA doesn’t enjoy massive support. They resort to thuggery and intimidation and utilize opium coming from Afghanistan as their main source of income. Pakistan hasn’t even deployed a significant military presence to deal with them, mostly because this isn’t a military issue but a socioeconomic one. If it was truly a military issue, both Pakistan and Iran would cooperate to put down any significant rebellion like they’ve done in the past
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Lots of Jai Hind coping in the comment section as well. :rolleyes:
 
AssassinsMace

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I love how India at the end of Biden's term, they were teasing to themselves reproachment with China. Then Trump became President and they dumped all that. Now comes the military conflict they started and Indians are crying that China picked Pakistan's side. What did they expect? It's like when China offered a space weapons treaty ban to the US and they rejected it but somehow they thought China was still suppose to follow it on their own end whining about of all the space technology China green-lighted afterwards. So easily Indians blow with the wind. They're the ones that were talking reproachment but somehow China was supposes to side with them in a show of good faith. India was the one that pulled the rug from underneath all that that.
 
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AndrewS said:
I think it would be better if there was an understanding that China won't provide J-35s unless the balance of power really shifts against Pakistan. That would mean no J-35s until India is on the cusp of its own stealth fighter deployment.

If China does transfer J-35s to Pakistan, it will just reinforce the Pakistan-India arms race dynamic.
That means both will end up spending more on the military, rather than on domestic economic development.
And it will accelerate India's drive to obtain stealth fighters, which means buying the F-35 or Su-57.

They both still have too many desperately poor. And in the case of India, child malnutrition has somehow been getting worse if you look at the past 5, 10 or 15 years. That is kind of shocking considering India posted decent growth rates during these time periods.

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China doesn't really get much out of exporting J-35s anyway, because there are just too few potential customers.
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That's what the doubters, haters and naysayers says about the JF-17 Block 3 and the J-10C before Pakistan gave India the FAFO moment on the night of May 7th.
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
If it was truly a military issue, both Pakistan and Iran would cooperate to put down any significant rebellion like they’ve done in the past
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Pakistan military are incompetent in dealing with BLA. Dozen of Pakistan soldiers & Chinese civilians dead, greatly damaging Sino-Pakistan economic cooperation, meanwhile BLA never gets eliminated. BLA still attacks civilians & military targets from time to time.

Choose your words for Pakistan carefully
 
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vincent

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AndrewS said:
If China does transfer J-35s to Pakistan, it will just reinforce the Pakistan-India arms race dynamic.
That means both will end up spending more on the military, rather than on domestic economic development.
And it will accelerate India's drive to obtain stealth fighters, which means buying the F-35 or Su-57.

They both still have too many desperately poor. And in the case of India, child malnutrition has somehow been getting worse if you look at the past 5, 10 or 15 years. That is kind of shocking considering India posted decent growth rates during these time periods.
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Having India invest much needed funds on military hardwares that provide no economic benefits is a very good thing for China. Providing military equipment to Pakistan doesn't cost China that much and the benefits far outweigh the cost.
 
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Equation said:
That's what the doubters, haters and naysayers says about the JF-17 Block 3 and the J-10C before Pakistan gave India the FAFO moment on the night of May 7th.
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But looking forward to the future, I think this conflict has established that Chinese fighter aircraft are capable.
Such a narrative will extend to the J-20 and J-35.

And with the reveal of the Chinese 6th gen air superiority aircraft, this indicates that China is matching or exceeding US tech.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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vincent said:
Having India invest much needed funds on military hardwares that provide no economic benefits is a very good thing for China. Providing military equipment to Pakistan doesn't cost China that much and the benefits far outweigh the cost.
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India has zero potential to be a threat to China. Ever. Not in 50 years, not in 100 years, not in 500 years. Better to have a semi-developed and higher educated India focused on economic growth than an unhinged failed state with nuclear weapons falling completely to rabid Hinduvta fanaticism / nationalism.
 
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