Doesn’t explain why their AWAC wasn’t giving them any warnings. Unless the PAF jammed the data link between IAF fighters and Phaclons…
The Kashmir conflict 2025.
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FriedRiceNSpice
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USN actually had more carriers, battleships, heavy cruisers, light cruisers, and destroyers than the IJN. USN was also ahead in most naval technologies, particularly radio and radar. Perhaps you were thinking of Pacific Fleet vs IJN? Otherwise, agree with the rest of your post regarding the US's overwhelming advantage in manufacturing and shipbuilding.
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Indian AWACs were not in the theater.
If so, complete retardness by IAF on an unimaginable scale.
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As mentioned previously, the problem primarily lies with procurement. The IAF does not possess an adequate quantity of AWAC assets. IAF opted for a very small number of high end-expensive platforms of primarily Israeli-origin electronics on a Russian airframe (ironically based on technology initially intended for KJ-2000), of which the IAF only acquired 3 units. IAF has no ability to replace these platforms, and as such cannot risk losing them, rendering them effectively hangar queens. The level of datalink and networking compatibility between these 3 units and other IAF assets is also questionable. Outside of these 3 units, the only other AWAC platforms in IAF inventory is a measly two units of a domestically developed platform (mounted on an airframe of Brazilian origin) on the same configuration as KJ-200/Erieye, which appears to have been a failed project (a third unit of this platform failed to be inducted into active service). The fact that the entire IAF only possesses 5 AWAC platforms reveals an inexcusable failure in IAF procurement and may explain the inability of IAF to adopt modern air combat doctrines.
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FriedRiceNSpice
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If India is serious about ever becoming an actual military power, it will need to rely on indigenous manufacturing and R&D capabilities. At the minimum, India needs the ability to produce fully domestically any foreign hardware that it licenses. It may be a long and painful process, but there are no shortcuts to acquiring true military power.
Furthermore, Russian radar, avionics, networking, and electronics capabilities are non-competetive (Russia's ability to manufacture AESA radar *may* actually be behind that of India), and Europeans are also starting to fall behind in these areas. The only project of value I see for the Indians would be Su-57 with full transfer of technology and eventual 100% domestic production.
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It is a winner(s) take all when it comes to industrialization. Eight decades have pass since the end of WWII. How many countries managed to industrialized since that time? In fact I would argue that many countries which were industrialized before WWII had deindustrialized. You can count countries such as Spain and Britain in this category. Only the East Asian countries industrialized since WWII. India has no hope of industrialization. In fact, when it comes to countries being able to produce the entire array of assets that form the kill chain in the Indo-Pakistan war on the Pakistan side, I am talking about satellites, AWACs, missile defense system, fighters, drones and missiles that all seamlessly talk to each other, only the U.S. and China have this capability. The Russians has some parts of this capability. India has no hope of making these things. It is like trying to build a skyscraper on a tarpit.
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Indian state owned DRDO has messed up vast majority of projects given to them. I have little faith they will achieve anything tangible in the next decade. This is a criticism that many on Indian defense forums also levy against DRDO
If they are too incompetent at self managing, they will not be competent at foriegn procurement either.
The Russians have integrated their SAMs, their A-50, and a number of their aircraft together. Just that the area they are defending is so massive that they will have penetrations. India doesn’t have a chance at getting this done by themselves