The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Aegrotare

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I always asked myselfe why they send the Rafales on a bombing mission and not as cover in the air, but a former Rafale Pilot on Youtube claimed that the Rafale can only carry 2 Meteors. Does anybody know if this is true?
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If this is true, its a huge problem for the Rafale and makes me wonder if one could even call it a true 4.5 multirole aircraft, 2 BVRAAM are maybe enough to force your enemy into the defensive but not for any true air to air engagement. I know the MICAs are also BVRAAMs but their are to outmached compared to Meteors, Pl15 or even modern AIM-120 AMRAMs. And just for fun few examples for possible Eurofighter Loadouts to laugh at the French omnirole stealth fighter.image.jpg
 

LCR34

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I always asked myselfe why they send the Rafales on a bombing mission and not as cover in the air, but a former Rafale Pilot on Youtube claimed that the Rafale can only carry 2 Meteors. Does anybody know if this is true?
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If this is true, its a huge problem for the Rafale and makes me wonder if one could even call it a true 4.5 multirole aircraft, 2 BVRAAM are maybe enough to force your enemy into the defensive but not for any true air to air engagement. I know the MICAs are also BVRAAMs but their are to outmached compared to Meteors, Pl15 or even modern AIM-120 AMRAMs. And just for fun few examples for possible Eurofighter Loadouts to laugh at the French omnirole stealth fighter.View attachment 152422
Its the over emphasis of Rafale being omni role. But on that note, we look at J-10C in PLAAF service. 2 BVRAAM, 2 WVRAAM. Hardly a problem. Because PLAAF does not expect high intensity air combat during intercept mission around SCS. PLAAF actually evaluated dual rack pylons, they found it to increase drag by quite a bit and may impair combat radius. If you evaluate all canards in service, J-10C is more towards air superiority role.
 

AndrewJ

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If they just wanted to strike some terrorist camps couldn't they use some missiles?
Or would that trigger Pakistan too much?

Unlike Iran, India has a powerful air force. So they tend to use air force, instead of rocket force, to conduct the precision strikes. It's a great opportunity to showcase air force strength to domestic audience, and to justify continuous Rafale purchase deals promoted directly by Modi.

However... :rolleyes:
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Observer1

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Hello Hello Good Evening or Good Morning or Good Between,

After forced to spend lots of time on this subject over all sorts of media, I feel I am one of the better arm-chair generals in modern warfare in the context of this recent Bharat Pak conflict.

In this 3rd decade of the 21st century, air combat between two military peers is essentially video games of real-time long-distance loosely-coupled seamlessly-integrated kill-chains, which are comprised of all sorts of sensors and relays and actuators.

For those who have hands-on experience in complex industrial system integration, which have similar aspects of system engineering, it is rather simple and straightforward in replay and postmortem of this air war.

The real-time aspect includes but is not limited to sensors and communications that enable situation awareness. Pak has demonstrated one kill-chain of HQ-9 radar detection => ZDK-03 AWACS => J-10C => PL-15E that can be guided by its jet or AWACS. Maybe throw in some electronics warfare. Everything works the way as advertised, no more no less. If Bharat had similar kill-chain, then we should have seen at least some results from the Bharat side. The fact that it was 5:0 or 6:0 or whatever indicates that the Bharat air battle system is inferior. That is it, simple and easy. It really doesn't matter what Rafale should be or might be. Or it doest not even matter much which pilots are better trained. Rather it is sensor detection, data ingestion, real-time analysis and communication and decision, pilot pushing some button(s), missile guided by the system fly toward target in range. Game over.

The whole battle was a very simple replay of the system integration capabilities. The real complex knowledge or innovation resides in each component or link or station that are seamlessly integrated for shooting the target.

I can simplistically conclude that, after this air battle example, any isolated piece of weapons is probably only good for photos or videos or shows or propagandas, for which why we are here. It really does not matter much if a system is comprised of Country-A weapons or Country-B weapons, as long as weapons can be seamlessly integrated as a capable kill-chain.

The real question who (countries or institutions) produces and delivers such air combat systems in this world right here right now. In this case study, it was one-sited slaughter simple because A used such kill-chains agaisnt B who didn't have.
Slight correction, PAF has retired its ZDK-03 fleet citing high operational costs. It operates SAAB Erieye.
 
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