The Kashmir conflict 2025.

Zahid

Zahid

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siegecrossbow said:
I’ve read up on the gruesome details of the terror attack that triggered the whole mess and after cross checking the sources, I think we can rule it out as a false flag attack. It is too emasculating for the BJP decision makers to propose something like this. Even if it is a false flag, my opinion is that it is not planned by India but an outside party.
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1. The March 2000 massacre at Chittisinghpura in Occupied Kashmir was a definite false flag operation. In it 35 people were murdered & just going by the numbers, it was a more gruesome affair. I am a little hazy on the details of the investigation, but I think it was outsourced to Afghans & was then blamed on Pakistan. The attack happened during U.S. President Bill Clinton's visit to India.

2. Once such an attack is ordered/outsourced, tactical control is up to the perpetrators. My guess is that this attack was again outsourced. Kashmiris themselves are known to be a peaceful people & only in the last couple of decades have taken up arms against Indian occupation. I think the ferocity is probably because it was done by battle hardened terrorists.

3. Obviously Pakistan has lost the ability to support militants in the wake of FATF grey-listing. This was many years ago now & most people realize that blaming Pakistan is mostly propaganda. But it is possible that Afghan groups that operate terror network in parts of Pakistan with Indian support may have been able to cross over & executed this attack as ordered.
 
tankphobia

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caudaceus said:
Grok sucks for recognizing developing situations. Have you seen grok misidentify Miriam Adelson as Hillary Clinton?
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An AI summary is simply an aggregation of internet noise, with enough misinformation (plenty on both sides), it will always produce a crappy output. Since there's no human fact checking involved, no AI is immune to this. See below industry paper written in China co-opting some video game lingo because of AI usage.

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neutralobserver said:
After the India-Pakistan clash, China's defense industry is getting its DeepSeek moment, writes


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Nobody should be surprised by this, China has been one of the top arm exporters to the global south for decades. Chinese weapons have always been known to be a great match between cost and capability, if it doesn't work nobody would be buying them. I'd note that recently exports are increasingly trending towards higher end military equipment.
 
Randomuser

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AndrewJ said:
Palki: Every military & weapon is facing reality check in war. India is better than US with that. India at least defeated Paki, meanwhile US can't even defeat Houthis. India > Paki > Houthis > US.

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Since theres a ceasefire now, we can probably relax the moderation on this thread.

That said, I think we should just put stuff like this in the funny thread instead. We all know Palki Sharma just gives low level drivel to her audience in India. I don't think she deserves a place in more serious thread like this.
 
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crazyinsane105 said:
Not one bit true. There are international observers posted along both sides of the border to monitor just that, and any movement of troops on either side of the border will get ridiculous scrutiny from whoever is in possession of a cell phone.

Crossing the border and capturing land is literally a declaration of war,
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I suppose lobbing missiles at each other and shooting down aircraft isn't a declaration of war. We'll find out soon enough what's true. Right now, it's being debated on Pak media whether withdrawal from the new territories is mandatory.
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siegecrossbow said:
I’ve read up on the gruesome details of the terror attack that triggered the whole mess and after cross checking the sources, I think we can rule it out as a false flag attack. It is too emasculating for the BJP decision makers to propose something like this. Even if it is a false flag, my opinion is that it is not planned by India but an outside party.
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Minister of Home Affairs, Amit Shah, visited Pahalgam and removed 3 security check posts. One week later, attack happened, claims Indian soldier stationed at the posts; says, Modi and Shah are the perpetrators.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922703259984330848
 
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Pretty resounding endorsement on Chinese weapons used by Pakistan from the French press!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922695187312279897

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It was just hours after
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launched its Operation Sindoor with an opening salvo of strikes on
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in response to a deadly April 22 terror attack in Indian-administered
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. India blamed Pakistan for the attack, Islamabad denied the allegation, but was nonetheless prepared for India’s military riposte.

So were the Chinese weapon systems acquired by Pakistan in recent years.

When the Chinese delegation, led by Beijing’s ambassador in Islamabad, arrived at Pakistan’s foreign ministry, they were promptly given the good news, Pakistani Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar
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“Our jet fighters … shot down three Indian Rafales, three Rafales [that] are French,” Dar told the National Assembly. “Ours were J-10Cs,” he noted, referring to the Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon, a Chinese multipurpose fighter jet that was untested in an active combat zone until the latest India-Pakistan armed clash.
 
plawolf

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sutton999 said:
Check out this video. It looks like a command/radar station explosion in an open field, despite Grok's claims otherwise.

still, maybe an old video?
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This is a really fascinating video because it’s so hard to conclusively tell if it’s fake or not.

Immediately there are a lot of red flags, like the closely packed line of dead (which might just be the dead from the video having been gathered together later); the fact there are so many bodies scattered around out in the open in such density without anything obviously identifiable as the target of the attack; the relative intact nature of all of the bodies, with no obvious laceration or amputations.

However, there are also a lot of elements of the video that makes it look authentic. The chaotic nature of the scene feels very real, as you would expect from someone who just wants whipped out their phone and started filming; the fire truck and firefighter gear all looks real, so this would have had to be a really expensive, or at least professional job if it was fake. The same for the jumpsuits of the dead and the few bits of wreckage in shot.

But that high quality and professional prop elements clashes with the aforementioned obvious red flags. You would think that if this was a fake and the people responsible were professional enough to get such high quality props that they wouldn’t make such obvious amateur mistakes in terms of composition and scene building.

I am very torn on this, but on balance, I feel it looks more like real footage than a fake.

But it is worth stressing that even if the footage is real, it doesn’t really support the claim that this is the aftermath of a strike on the S400. It may well be, but there is nothing in the footage that would prove it. This could just as easily have been a bunch of ground crew that got killed beside a fuel truck or generator.
 
ZeEa5KPul

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plawolf said:
This is a really fascinating video because it’s so hard to conclusively tell if it’s fake or not.

Immediately there are a lot of red flags, like the closely packed line of dead (which might just be the dead from the video having been gathered together later); the fact there are so many bodies scattered around out in the open in such density without anything obviously identifiable as the target of the attack; the relative intact nature of all of the bodies, with no obvious laceration or amputations.

However, there are also a lot of elements of the video that makes it look authentic. The chaotic nature of the scene feels very real, as you would expect from someone who just wants whipped out their phone and started filming; the fire truck and firefighter gear all looks real, so this would have had to be a really expensive, or at least professional job if it was fake. The same for the jumpsuits of the dead and the few bits of wreckage in shot.

But that high quality and professional prop elements clashes with the aforementioned obvious red flags. You would think that if this was a fake and the people responsible were professional enough to get such high quality props that they wouldn’t make such obvious amateur mistakes in terms of composition and scene building.

I am very torn on this, but on balance, I feel it looks more like real footage than a fake.

But it is worth stressing that even if the footage is real, it doesn’t really support the claim that this is the aftermath of a strike on the S400. It may well be, but there is nothing in the footage that would prove it. This could just as easily have been a bunch of ground crew that got killed beside a fuel truck or generator.
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At first I thought it might be footage of some other incident, an industrial fire or something like it, but the air raid siren in the background makes me think it's authentic.
 
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