The Kashmir conflict 2025.

lcloo

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The number of the Flanker is SB-1?2, could be SB-182 or SB-192. That is all I can see.

Edit: Since you deleted the photo, I assumed it is fake then.

2nd Edit: News regarding the female Indian pilot is fake news if that Flanker's reg number is SB-182.

"The Indian Air Force's Sukhoi Su-30MKI SB-182 was involved in an accident on June 4, 2024, in Nashik district, Maharashtra, India. The aircraft crashed under unknown circumstances while en route, but both pilots ejected safely. The jet was destroyed in the incident.
There are reports that the engine caught fire, leading to the crash. "


At least this clear up some of the news.
 
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AndrewS

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BVR weapons are in fact easier to defeat compared to IR WVR ones. (Read up on history of Sparrow and radar AAMs.)

The reason is quite simple. You need radar lock-on for BVR (okay USSR had tested some long range IR) which triggers all the defense mechanism of the target aircraft -- MAWS, jammers, other ECM, i.e. SPECTRA on the Rafale.

What makes the PL-15E special is it most likely pulled off that theoritical kill chain you need against a modern fighter like the Rafale. The fact that the kill shot struck the Rafale at long range behind its own lines means that SPECTRA was unable to activate. Either the Rafale was jammed to the point of befuddlement or it was the PL-15's lock-on not happening until the Rafale was within its no-escape zone. The PL-15's lock-on lighting so late would mean mid-course guidance from another source.

Whether or not any old BVR weapon can do that to a modern Western aircraft remains to be seen.

Wasn't there reporting of a dual radar and infrared seeker on the PL-15?

If terminal targeting is done via infrared, there wouldn't be any radar emissions for the Rafale to detect.

That is another scenario.

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And if this was a maximum range launch, then the second rocket motor pulse would have occurred mid-phase in a ballistic trajectory. So the missile rocket motor would not be generating an infrared signature when it reaches the target
 

N00B

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Some guy saying how Iran has no balls and should take a lesson from PK.

Basically India is much bigger with nukes and PK still went ahead and blew up its planes and launched missiles at it without caring.

TBF Iran decided to take on a superpower across multiple neighboring countries. Even with nukes, it wouldn't have made any difference. Iran itself couldn't have been attacked in that case, but the Syria/Lebanon would have fallen eventually. The fact that Iran and its proxies lasted this long is in itself remarkable.
 

Zahid

Junior Member
The Noor Khan explosion WAS massive. Even Pakistanis aren't denying that. The last time an AFB was targeted was back in 1971. It is very much a new thing. Normal or not, we shall see.

CNN said Pakistan claimed India begged America. Pakistan also claimed they have captured an Indian pilot. People claim things. For the rest of it, guess you will have to take it up with NYT.
You know what else WAS massive? Indian embarrassment. I wish you'd stop clinging to straws & making excuses. You've gone from high of India hit blah blah blah & so much damage blah blah blah. Now that you found that the only thing damaged were fuel trucks, you are presenting it as some sort of a win because explosion WAS massive.

You know what was really massive? The fact that JF-17 went into India, bombed S-400 site & came back in triumph.
 

Zahid

Junior Member
Sorry, have we confirmed this yet? :rolleyes:
No. But it would be hard to confirm in any case because hypersonics do not send back pictures when they hit. We can't be certain unless we have coordinates & satellite data. But I am underscoring the fact that PAF even did that is embarrassing for India because JF-17s were not opposed, at least to my knowledge. I suppose we'd have to wait for PAF to provide more data.
 

N00B

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You know what else WAS massive? Indian embarrassment. I wish you'd stop clinging to straws & making excuses. You've gone from high of India hit blah blah blah & so much damage blah blah blah. Now that you found that the only thing damaged were fuel trucks, you are presenting it as some sort of a win because explosion WAS massive.

You know what was really massive? The fact that JF-17 went into India, bombed S-400 site & came back in triumph.

I didn't know fuel trucks were damaged! Materiel loss makes the attack more potent then.

There are also Indian claims of the S-400 system taking down a PAF AEWC. Even if I accept that an S-400 battery was chopped off at the end of the day, that's kinda falls in its job description. Jets, military bases, air defense units are supposed to take a hit or two up their chin. Some losses are part of the program.

The bottom line is this - India may lose some, but Pakistan won't come out unscathed either.

Unlike LoC shelling matches, that farcical surgical strike that may be took down a few grunts (if that) or the disaster that was Balakot, India finally established a clear conventional deterrence against Pakistan. Pakistani army will think again before any more shenanigans. Another 10 years of calm is likely.
 

lgnxz

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But it's nearly certain that with dozen+ AFBs being targeted, at least a few aircraft were damaged/destroyed.
Classic indian leapt of logic. First of all no need to exaggerate the AFBs number, it's clearly not even a dozen. Second of all, we already have example of many satellite images of those multiple AFBs (see
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) and the damage is very minimal: infrastructures, runways, etc., certainly no indication of a damaged/destroyed aircrafts, especially given that PAF already have time to evacuate many of them, as shown in the third linked X thread.

So as I said, just a classic indian leapt of logic™.

We are unlikely to ever see any proof of that in any way, but saying absolutely nothing happened doesn't pass the smell test.
Please see the argument above regarding satellite imageries, and lol unlikely according to whom? You? The same guy who was deeply in denial back when the galwan clash happened years ago when me and multiple others showed you the very same things that have and will be shown here further: satellite images, video clips, onsite pictures, etc. Did you finally admit that galwan was a conflict started by you and ended in a utter humiliation for your soldiers, given all the mounting evidences in that conflict? Of course not lmao, so why should we expect anything different. It's the definition of insanity.

I'll spare you the slamdunk of a joke from your alley-oop about indian 'smell test' that you mentioned. I'm sure you already have an idea on what I'd say, but it might be a little against the forum TOS.. I've already made my point anyway and as history has shown it's not like being polite would make you admit nor understand anything, so cheers ;)
 

talonn

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No. But it would be hard to confirm in any case because hypersonics do not send back pictures when they hit. We can't be certain unless we have coordinates & satellite data. But I am underscoring the fact that PAF even did that is embarrassing for India because JF-17s were not opposed, at least to my knowledge. I suppose we'd have to wait for PAF to provide more data.
As much as I wish its true, you still have to provide sources for such bold claim before posting it in this forum. Its the rule of this platform
 
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