The Kashmir conflict 2025.

N00B said:

I didn't know fuel trucks were damaged! Materiel loss makes the attack more potent then.

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You lost 3-6 jets, some of them costing $250M a piece. What fuel truck are you talking about?

N00B said:

There are also Indian claims of the S-400 system taking down a PAF AEWC. Even if I accept that an S-400 battery was chopped off at the end of the day, that's kinda falls in its job description.

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India claims it lost no jets and shot down JF-17.

N00B said:

Jets, military bases, air defense units are supposed to take a hit or two up their chin. Some losses are part of the program.

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India is very good at that, I admit.

N00B said:

The bottom line is this - India may lose some, but Pakistan won't come out unscathed either.

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Yeah, India loses several jets, some costing $250M; Pakistan lost a drone commanding truck. To the best of my knowledge, and I read every page here, that is literally the only confirmed loss of military equipment for Pakistan.

N00B said:

Unlike LoC shelling matches, that farcical surgical strike that may be took down a few grunts (if that) or the disaster that was Balakot, India finally established a clear conventional deterrence against Pakistan. Pakistani army will think again before any more shenanigans. Another 10 years of calm is likely.

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What? India started these "shenanigans", got all its best fighter models shot down and you think this is deterrence against Pakistan? 10 years of calm because India doesn't dare use its air force near Pakistan is likely. Pakistan knows now that the sky is theirs.

N00B said:

India finally established a clear conventional deterrence against Pakistan

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In what world would you even start talking about deterrence when the result is, word-for-word from you, "India may lose some, but Pakistan won't come out unscathed either"?? With population and defence budget 6-7x larger than Pakistan and that's all you can achieve?

Was downing your rafale also part of your plan to establish that deterrence. Damn man, the PAF SURELY shaking their boots from downing the Rafale, because now India have access to the charred PL-15E!!

N00B said:

Pakistani army will think again before any more shenanigans. Another 10 years of calm is likely.

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Oh guys of course we all forgot. It's PAKISTAN who started the Operation Tandoori Chicken on May 7 and started this whole shooting war. How could we ever miss this..

What a fuckin joke man lmao, I really got a dejavu to 5 years ago.

Zahid said:

The fact that JF-17 went into India, bombed S-400 site & came back in triumph.

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Don't present speculation as a Fact

And where exactly were these assets deployed If S400 actually was destroyed you can count on Chinese satellites to provide imagery soon just like they did for PAF base.

Mods its finally time some standards are set here and not every claim be treated as a fact based on just rumours.

AndrewJ said:

BIG: Paki indeed captured a female Rafale pilot, but are going to keep low profile about this, according to Paki military sources. (Al Jazeera)

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I don't think it is true but we will definitely get to know within a week or so.

lgnxz said:

Classic indian leapt of logic. First of all no need to exaggerate the AFBs number, it's clearly not even a dozen. Second of all, we already have example of many satellite images of those multiple AFBs (see

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) and the damage is very minimal: infrastructures, runways, etc., certainly no indication of a damaged/destroyed aircrafts, especially given that PAF already have time to evacuate many of them, as shown in the third linked X thread.

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I have seen live footage of 5 myself. I am going stick to my take. Even if only those 5 were bombed, it very unlikely there was absolutely 0 loss of air frames. It doesn't pass the smell test. Satellites won't capture aircraft parked inside hangars.

lgnxz said:

galwan clash

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I don't recall writing anything about the Galwan clash. You are confusing me with someone else.

manqiangrexue said:

You lost 3-6 jets, some of them costing $250M a piece. What fuel truck are you talking about?

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Only 2 confirmed, including one Rafale.

I thank you for your excellent consideration. Here in the West they are only now beginning to understand the real magnitude of this event (assuming they want to do so, I have been saying this for 10 years and everyone has called me a jerk, by everyone I mean Press Agencies, newspapers, CDA members of companies in the military sector).
There are several elements to consider:
1) China has 3 undeniable advantages that are at the moment, unrecoverable: A) production of TR modules. B) Semantics of AI language: the Mandarin alphabet has 30 thousand idioms, all Latin and non-Latin alphabets (see Russian, Indian, Israeli, Arabic, etc.) many but many fewer. This makes current algorithms based on graphic sign recognition in Mandarin more 'efficient with a ratio of 7:1, which means: less energy, lower cost, higher efficiency. C): Efficiency: everyone here in the West was hoping for worse efficiency especially in tactical data fusion and real data sharing.
This used to be the only chance to maintain some advantage, by the projects currently being developed in the West.
Not anymore.
Project Tempest is born outdated, and the U.S. Navy's FXX and the Boeing F-47 will now take on all the doubts and sarcasm they have been broadcasting and telling about the competition for 20 years.

Ironhide said:

Don't present speculation as a Fact

And where exactly were these assets deployed If S400 actually was destroyed you can count on Chinese satellites to provide imagery soon just like they did for PAF base.

Mods its finally time some standards are set here and not every claim be treated as a fact based on just rumours.

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I agree that it should be discounted as false until there is evidence but China would be unlikely to do what you said even if satellate imagery existed. Even when it was China against India, China withheld damning and humiliating video evidence against India until it was pushed to release it, India thinking China had nothing. China does not care to push India to further embarrassment-driven provocations so it is very unlikely to release this evidence, especially if it is true that Pakistan withheld the female pilot and second downed Rafale.

N00B said:

Only 2 confirmed, including one Rafale.

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India admitted to 3 before it went into total fantasy mode.

talonn said:

As much as I wish its true, you still have to provide sources for such bold claim before posting it in this forum. Its the rule of this platform

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It is PAF claim & that is the source. More information is needed to corroborate. But I do have a problem with random Jay-Hinds showing up with their ludicrous stories with zero evidence. If they can register Indian claims as evidence, then so can I. Would it be fair to put Indian & Pakistani claims in the same category though?

If a mod deletes my posts, I will understand. But by the same standard Jay-Hind posts ought to be deleted as well.

N00B said:

I have seen live footage of 5 myself. I am going stick to my take. Even if only those 5 were bombed, it very unlikely there was absolutely 0 loss of air frames. It doesn't pass the smell test. Satellites won't capture aircraft parked inside hangars.

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You only saw 5, yet claimed that "dozen+" airbases were hit? Would you mind to explain that or can we chalk it up to my leap of logic™ theory? Or is it the smell test again this time?

"Smell test" is not how you make a proof. You're just saying things to compensate your ego from all the downed indian aircrafts with ample proofs of photos and videos.

That's all there is to your argument really, so why just stop there? Go even further, just claim 20 JF-17 destroyed, Pakistan nuclear warhead destroyed and dusted. There's no proof or logical argument needed anyway, we all can just rely on your smell test ofc.

manqiangrexue said:

China would be unlikely to do what you said even if satellate imagery existed

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I expect Jilin or Mizar to release imagery before maxar

They regularly release Fujian/Shandong live drill tracking imagery so its not a big deal tbh.

doggydogdo said:

Iran doesn't have Chinese jets and nukes. Not to mention Iran's enemies are a lot stronger too

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There's a very strong debate in Iran about nukes right now.
Khomeini was always strongly against it, but reality around gives lots of arguments to those who consider this position wrong. And recently there's some shift away from it(the very fact this debate is now allowed very high up in the open in Iran is a sign of change).

Pakistani case is certainly one more straw to the fire.

p.s. while Iran doesn't have Pakistani jets, it has strong local AD production ecosystem (also not without certain norinco roots).