The Kashmir conflict 2025.

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GodRektsNoobs

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Nx4eu said:
A mostly Intact PL-15E found in Hoshiarpur India.View attachment 151676
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This is to be expected. It's normal for pilots to double tap, or even triple tap to guarantee a kill. In fact in Soviet/Russian doctrine double tapping is standard procedure. This missile probably lost its target, failed to self-destruct and hit the ground. It's possible that the target was close to the ground (or even on the ground at that point) that the missile didn't have time to self-destruct before hitting the ground.
 
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It is to my opinion that PL15E does not have dual pulse. I remember seeing academic paper here on SDF. If all propellants burnt without pause you get 145-150km.
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siegecrossbow said:
Yeah, I translated that one. My theory was that by controlling the time between successful firing of the pulses you can extend or reduce the range. If there is no gap between the pulses then it is just a single pulse motor. My current hypothesis is that there is no physical difference between the E variant and the domestic variant, only a software timer that can be programmed by the flight computer. It is entirely possible that China removed restrictions before the fight.
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E does have dual pulse. Confirmed in the same interview that stated the domestic version has 200km+ range and that revealed the improved 6-in-IWB PL-15 version.
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siegecrossbow said:
I think the Rafale pilot is KIA (no RIP from me since he was bombing civilians) but at least some of them ejected successfully and were taken to hospitals.
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Pakistan said that there were 125 fighters of both sides fought for one hour. I have a few questions:
1. At its peak, how many fighters were in air at the same time?
2. In the period of one hour, how many missiles from both sides had been fired?
3. Since only 6 were shot down (include one UAV), how did fighters manage to escape missiles?
 
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There's been many such cases, and such scenarios are especially plausible in Kashmir, which is not only remote and mountainous, but the principal region of contention between India and Pakistan.

However, modern technology has also made it more difficult for mother nature to conceal aircraft debris, especially if you look fast enough (e.g. before vegetation or snow sinks in).

Once an enemy aircraft is downed, ELINT and/or SIGINT data should give you a general location of the wreckage. From there, you just need to task some spaceborne assets that are otherwise employed to identify and monitor forest fires to locate the flaming debris.

Even if you get rained out, you'll probably find something so long as you're in the right neighborhood and looking hard enough.

Private individuals and entities can pursue similar approaches for geolocating attritted airframes, granted their starting points will probably have to come from the metadata of photos or videos capturing the wreckage or something else more lawfully and publicly accessible.



Like Pakistan's principal adversary, India, Turkey's principal adversary, Greece, also operates the Dassault Rafale.

So are you implying that Turkic and Pakistani air forces have been exchanging notes on and sharing ELINT data from Rafales?



So are Pakistanis as ungovernable as the finest 2nd Amendment loving American "rednecks" and "yokels" of Appalachia, the Deep South, Idaho and Texas?
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Maybe Turks want to promote their products
 
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Full video of this PL-15:
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Is this really unexploded?

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Looks like the war head did explode. I'm assuming a layout similar to the AAMRAM with the warhead right in front of the propellant stage, approximately halfway point lengthwise. Possible that the plane it was shot at went cold, the missile chased it for the fulll duration, and the warhead blew after a set time.
 
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SteelBird said:
Pakistan said that there were 125 fighters of both sides fought for one hour. I have a few questions:
1. At its peak, how many fighters were in air at the same time?
2. In the period of one hour, how many missiles from both sides had been fired?
3. Since only 6 were shot down (include one UAV), how did fighters manage to escape missiles?
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My guess is that 125 fighters were sorties, not actual planes. I doubt you can fit that many planes in the air space… You can’t fit more than 100 planes in the airspace simultaneously even during the Taiwan contingency.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
Indeed. I’ve never seen hard core MAGAs and Wumaos before. Maybe they are the key to world peace?
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I once came across a Hindutva troll. It was a writing on who were the enemies of India. Communists, Turks, Pakistan, white imperialists, Chinese, Islam, liberals, British, USA etc... While reading the list I was like "Damn, only Darth Vader and Sauron are missing among these enemies". Their fantasies make you feel like the world unity has happened already.
 
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SteelBird said:
Pakistan said that there were 125 fighters of both sides fought for one hour. I have a few questions:
1. At its peak, how many fighters were in air at the same time?
2. In the period of one hour, how many missiles from both sides had been fired?
3. Since only 6 were shot down (include one UAV), how did fighters manage to escape missiles?
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Maybe only those IAF jets which launched air to land ammo are targeted
thus fulfil the PAF's narrative of self defense but attack into the Indian border
 
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