The Kashmir conflict 2025.

LCR34

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I’m happy to report that some Jai Hinds have reached the bargaining stage. They are gloating about US confirming that only two planes are shot down and that the PL-15 wreckage will help them learn about Chinese seeker and dual pulse motor tech.
It is to my opinion that PL15E does not have dual pulse. I remember seeing academic paper here on SDF. If all propellants burnt without pause you get 145-150km.
 

xyz4321

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Jalandhar, Panjab is about 90km from the border, 100km from Lahore.
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Ok, so Indian Kashmir side is totally gone dark
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Lot of firing over Rajasthan
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Sounds like lot of rocket artillery
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siegecrossbow

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It is to my opinion that PL15E does not have dual pulse. I remember seeing academic paper here on SDF. If all propellants burnt without pause you get 145-150km.

Yeah, I translated that one. My theory was that by controlling the time between successful firing of the pulses you can extend or reduce the range. If there is no gap between the pulses then it is just a single pulse motor. My current hypothesis is that there is no physical difference between the E variant and the domestic variant, only a software timer that can be programmed by the flight computer. It is entirely possible that China removed restrictions before the fight.
 

BoraTas

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What Pakistan doing right now is affecting the perception of Indias business stability; to affect material reality they would need to strike power plants in the south “(tamil nadu, bengalore, etc) which would be a huge escalation and a pretty transparent puppetry act by China. This isn’t needed because India itself is a quagmire for FDI.
Indian cope has turned the shoot downs into a soft power rout too. Everyone is mocking Indians. The world is like this when it comes to mocking the Indians right now.

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zyklon

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In Yankee’s podcast he also stated that it is entirely possible for some kills to fall in hard to reach places and the wreckage may not be discovered in years, if ever. He gave an example of an Indian helicopter crash during the 1962 war. Indians never claimed the loss and China only found out about it after stumbling upon the remains during patrol.

There's been many such cases, and such scenarios are especially plausible in Kashmir, which is not only remote and mountainous, but the principal region of contention between India and Pakistan.

However, modern technology has also made it more difficult for mother nature to conceal aircraft debris, especially if you look fast enough (e.g. before vegetation or snow sinks in).

Once an enemy aircraft is downed, ELINT and/or SIGINT data should give you a general location of the wreckage. From there, you just need to task some spaceborne assets that are otherwise employed to identify and monitor forest fires to locate the flaming debris.

Even if you get rained out, you'll probably find something so long as you're in the right neighborhood and looking hard enough.

Private individuals and entities can pursue similar approaches for geolocating attritted airframes, granted their starting points will probably have to come from the metadata of photos or videos capturing the wreckage or something else more lawfully and publicly accessible.

As previously mentioned in the thread from a telegram report, more reports coming of Pakistan allegedly using the Turkish Koral EW system that wreaked havoc on IAF.

Like Pakistan's principal adversary, India, Turkey's principal adversary, Greece, also operates the Dassault Rafale.

So are you implying that Turkic and Pakistani air forces have been exchanging notes on and sharing ELINT data from Rafales?

In case there is a full blown war, it must be noted that Pakistani civilians are heavily armed. Every other person has an assault rifle or shotgun minimum. Add to that, the countless armed militia, paramilitary groups, etc whose numbers are probably several folds greater than Pak Army.

So are Pakistanis as ungovernable as the finest 2nd Amendment loving American "rednecks" and "yokels" of Appalachia, the Deep South, Idaho and Texas?
 

00CuriousObserver

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A mostly Intact PL-15E found in Hoshiarpur India.View attachment 151676

Full video of this PL-15:
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Is this really unexploded?

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